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Re: Duggan (maybe born 1852) ??? badly in need of a clean up and estimate of date
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 07 February 21 23:05 GMT (UK) »

A huge thank you to japeflakes, Pat, John-76 and Skippy for the great clean up of "Thomas's" photo, and the back of the card as well.  It is one of the oldest photos in my collection and thanks to both Gaget and Jim, I can place a date on it, and can positively call him Thomas Duggan, born 1852 - died 1926. 
In the past when I have tried to identify the person in a photo, I have compared facial features, but this time, I discovered something more unusual.  I always thought the unknown person in the photo must've broken his hand at some stage.  Then in another photo, taken of Thomas Duggan aged 73, in 1925, I thought, oh, he has bad arthritis in his hand.  Then yesterday, I thought, that hand looks familiar.  What do you think? 
Duggan, William - Wales c.1795, Australia
White, Eleanor - Queens Co. Ireland c.1810
Aspinall, Alexander - Lancashire
Beardsell, Jonas - Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Anderson, William - Ballyrashane, Londonderry, Ireland 1802, Australia,Vic,Tasmania
Cochrane, Mary Ann- Agadowey, Derry, Ireland - 1835
Langford, Richard - Brierley Hill, Stafford/Blakedown, Hagley, Worcester, NZ, Aust.
Cann, Eliza - Grantchester, Cambridge - 1839
Tait, Christopher - Delting, Shetland - 1854
Johnson - Shetland

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Re: Duggan (maybe born 1852) ??? badly in need of a clean up and estimate of date
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 07 February 21 23:35 GMT (UK) »
Aussielass, definitely something not right about his fingers, but - could you post a snip of the later photo to compare?
Peter
Convicts: COSIER (1791); LEADBEATER (1791); SINGLETON (& PARKINSON) (1792); STROUD (1793); BARNES (aka SYDNEY) (1800); DAVIS (1804); CLARK (1806); TYLER (1810); COWEN (1818); ADAMS[ON] (1821); SMITH (1827); WHYBURN (1827); HARBORNE (1828).
Commoners: DOUGAN (1844); FORD (1849); JOHNSTON (1850); BEATTIE (& LONG) (1856); BRICKLEY (1883).
Outlaws: MCGREGOR (1883) & ass. clans, Glasgow, Glenquaich, Glenalmond and Glengyle.

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Re: Duggan (maybe born 1852) ??? badly in need of a clean up and estimate of date
« Reply #11 on: Monday 08 February 21 00:00 GMT (UK) »
A slightly textured one from me.

PS - joints on hand do look arthritic or damaged in some way to me  :-\
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Re: Duggan (maybe born 1852) ??? badly in need of a clean up and estimate of date
« Reply #12 on: Monday 08 February 21 00:13 GMT (UK) »
and a slightly warmer tone
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Re: Duggan (maybe born 1852) ??? badly in need of a clean up and estimate of date
« Reply #13 on: Monday 08 February 21 06:32 GMT (UK) »
Aussielass, definitely something not right about his fingers, but - could you post a snip of the later photo to compare?
Peter
Hi Peter, the photo I posted has two separate photos cropped and combined in one.  The image on the left was Thomas's hands as shown on the photo c1870's, the photo on the right is Thomas's hands in 1925.  I'm sure they are the same hands, photos taken approx. 50 years apart.

Duggan, William - Wales c.1795, Australia
White, Eleanor - Queens Co. Ireland c.1810
Aspinall, Alexander - Lancashire
Beardsell, Jonas - Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Anderson, William - Ballyrashane, Londonderry, Ireland 1802, Australia,Vic,Tasmania
Cochrane, Mary Ann- Agadowey, Derry, Ireland - 1835
Langford, Richard - Brierley Hill, Stafford/Blakedown, Hagley, Worcester, NZ, Aust.
Cann, Eliza - Grantchester, Cambridge - 1839
Tait, Christopher - Delting, Shetland - 1854
Johnson - Shetland

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Re: Duggan (maybe born 1852) ??? badly in need of a clean up and estimate of date
« Reply #14 on: Monday 08 February 21 06:38 GMT (UK) »
A slightly textured one from me.

PS - joints on hand do look arthritic or damaged in some way too me  :-\
Thank you Gadget, lovely job, it looks great, and yes, I think Thomas would have been in his early twenties in the "unknown c1870's photo", so my thoughts are that his hand was injured rather than arthritic.  The later photo taken in 1925 could have been mistaken as arthritic hands, but they look the same as they did when he was in his early twenties.  So I think his hand was definitely injured.

Kind Regards, Aussielass   :)
Duggan, William - Wales c.1795, Australia
White, Eleanor - Queens Co. Ireland c.1810
Aspinall, Alexander - Lancashire
Beardsell, Jonas - Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Anderson, William - Ballyrashane, Londonderry, Ireland 1802, Australia,Vic,Tasmania
Cochrane, Mary Ann- Agadowey, Derry, Ireland - 1835
Langford, Richard - Brierley Hill, Stafford/Blakedown, Hagley, Worcester, NZ, Aust.
Cann, Eliza - Grantchester, Cambridge - 1839
Tait, Christopher - Delting, Shetland - 1854
Johnson - Shetland

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Re: Duggan (maybe born 1852) ??? badly in need of a clean up and estimate of date
« Reply #15 on: Monday 08 February 21 07:17 GMT (UK) »
Whoops! Sorry, Aussielass, I didn't slide it along. Yeah, I'd agree: the same hand.
Peter
Convicts: COSIER (1791); LEADBEATER (1791); SINGLETON (& PARKINSON) (1792); STROUD (1793); BARNES (aka SYDNEY) (1800); DAVIS (1804); CLARK (1806); TYLER (1810); COWEN (1818); ADAMS[ON] (1821); SMITH (1827); WHYBURN (1827); HARBORNE (1828).
Commoners: DOUGAN (1844); FORD (1849); JOHNSTON (1850); BEATTIE (& LONG) (1856); BRICKLEY (1883).
Outlaws: MCGREGOR (1883) & ass. clans, Glasgow, Glenquaich, Glenalmond and Glengyle.

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Re: Duggan (maybe born 1852) ??? badly in need of a clean up and estimate of date
« Reply #16 on: Monday 08 February 21 07:28 GMT (UK) »
Another one for the collection. (Gadget, I like the composition of yours, with those borders. I have a slight preference for the second one.)
Peter
Convicts: COSIER (1791); LEADBEATER (1791); SINGLETON (& PARKINSON) (1792); STROUD (1793); BARNES (aka SYDNEY) (1800); DAVIS (1804); CLARK (1806); TYLER (1810); COWEN (1818); ADAMS[ON] (1821); SMITH (1827); WHYBURN (1827); HARBORNE (1828).
Commoners: DOUGAN (1844); FORD (1849); JOHNSTON (1850); BEATTIE (& LONG) (1856); BRICKLEY (1883).
Outlaws: MCGREGOR (1883) & ass. clans, Glasgow, Glenquaich, Glenalmond and Glengyle.

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Re: Duggan (maybe born 1852) ??? badly in need of a clean up and estimate of date
« Reply #17 on: Monday 08 February 21 09:45 GMT (UK) »
Another one for the collection. (Gadget, I like the composition of yours, with those borders. I have a slight preference for the second one.)
Peter
Hi Peter, ha ha!! So often I don't slide photos along and think they're half photos and been cut off!!  ;D ;D

Thank you for your very nice clean up of Thomas, it looks terrific.  ;)
Duggan, William - Wales c.1795, Australia
White, Eleanor - Queens Co. Ireland c.1810
Aspinall, Alexander - Lancashire
Beardsell, Jonas - Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Anderson, William - Ballyrashane, Londonderry, Ireland 1802, Australia,Vic,Tasmania
Cochrane, Mary Ann- Agadowey, Derry, Ireland - 1835
Langford, Richard - Brierley Hill, Stafford/Blakedown, Hagley, Worcester, NZ, Aust.
Cann, Eliza - Grantchester, Cambridge - 1839
Tait, Christopher - Delting, Shetland - 1854
Johnson - Shetland