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Re: Margaret HAWES [1840-1868] - need precise date & place of death
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 17:25 GMT (UK) »
The records on the Abney Park Trust website (link below) indicate Margaret is in a public grave (B07:042219), so unlikely to have a headstone.

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Re: Margaret HAWES [1840-1868] - need precise date & place of death
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 18:14 GMT (UK) »
She was buried in Abney Park Cemetery, Stoke Newington, Middlesex, UK, on 20 Oct 1868. She lived at 57 Margaret Street, Haggerstone, Middlesex

Margaret Street was in Haggerston East sub-district.
In the GRO death indexes for Dec qtr 1868, Haggerston East death registrations seem to start on page 149 (in volume 1c). RD is Shoreditch.
From a couple of other burials found, it looks probable that, if she died at home, Margaret's death might be expected to be indexed on either page 149 or 150.
There should be 10 names with the GRO same reference, though FreeBMD have only 7 transcribed for page 149, and 8 for page 150.
Then have 10 transcribed for page 151. (Page 148 has only 6, the reason being that it looks to be the end of deaths registered in Haggerston West).

FreeBMD may have simply mistranscribed some page references or missed some entries that were indexed on those two pages, or there may be another reason.
Have you tried contacting Hackney Register Office?

The GRO indexes were not handwritten in 1868, they were printed.

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Re: Margaret HAWES [1840-1868] - need precise date & place of death
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 18:51 GMT (UK) »
No sign in Shoreditch on new GRO death index :(

Her son William Sivell Hawes was born in 57 Mgt St on 16 May 1868, who was buried near his mother on 1 Apr 1869.

Died in West Ham
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Hawes, William Swell
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Re: Margaret HAWES [1840-1868] - need precise date & place of death
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 18:58 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that info, I will try them, although I see they suffered a major cyber attack a couple of months ago, but hope this has not affected the Abney Park Cemetery records


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Re: Margaret HAWES [1840-1868] - need precise date & place of death
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 20:00 GMT (UK) »
She was buried in Abney Park Cemetery, Stoke Newington, Middlesex, UK, on 20 Oct 1868. She lived at 57 Margaret Street, Haggerstone, Middlesex

Margaret Street was in Haggerston East sub-district.
In the GRO death indexes for Dec qtr 1868, Haggerston East death registrations seem to start on page 149 (in volume 1c). RD is Shoreditch.
From a couple of other burials found, it looks probable that, if she died at home, Margaret's death might be expected to be indexed on either page 149 or 150.
There should be 10 names with the GRO same reference, though FreeBMD have only 7 transcribed for page 149, and 8 for page 150.
Then have 10 transcribed for page 151. (Page 148 has only 6, the reason being that it looks to be the end of deaths registered in Haggerston West).

FreeBMD may have simply mistranscribed some page references or missed some entries that were indexed on those two pages, or there may be another reason.
Have you tried contacting Hackney Register Office?

The GRO indexes were not handwritten in 1868, they were printed.

I hope to contact them soon, thank you very much, this is very useful !

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Re: Margaret HAWES [1840-1868] - need precise date & place of death
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 22:09 GMT (UK) »
The records on the Abney Park Trust website (link below) indicate Margaret is in a public grave (B07:042219), so unlikely to have a headstone.

http://www.devsys.co.uk/AP/

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Very helpful. A bit discouraged that she probably does not have a headstone. Have you got any tips for finding out her date &/or place of death [possibly from the Abney Park Cemetery authorities or Hackney Council?] Thanks

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Re: Margaret HAWES [1840-1868] - need precise date & place of death
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 23:09 GMT (UK) »
Have you got any tips for finding out her date &/or place of death [possibly from the Abney Park Cemetery authorities or Hackney Council?] Thanks

As I've said above (reply #8), the cemetery records are at Hackney Archives (not at Abney Park, or Hackney Council).

https://hackney.gov.uk/archives

It can be rather hard to get things done at the moment, but Hackney Archives do claim to be answering remote email enquires.

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Re: Margaret HAWES [1840-1868] - need precise date & place of death
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 23:17 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for that

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Re: Margaret HAWES [1840-1868] - need precise date & place of death
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 23 February 21 16:58 GMT (UK) »
Usual Abode on Abney Park Cemetery Burial Register was Margaret Street, Haggerstone, Middx. The Name of the Officiating Minister, Date of Death Cert, & Registrar Name & District are blank - I don't know what the significance of these omissions is, & would be interested to know, if anyone has any ideas as to why