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help needed with Margaret Ann Shephard complicated life please
« on: Tuesday 09 February 21 22:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi, im after some help on finding whereabouts, and try sort this out please:

i have Margaret Ann Shephard b29 Jan 1871 to Jane Jones and James Albert Shepherd Liverpool.

1st July 1888 Margaret married Daniel Fahsenfield /Fazenfield /Fehsenfield have marriage cert-  they have daughter Margaret Alice Fehsenfield b 1891 MMN Shepherd

then it gets complicated :
29th Jan 1895 Daniel Fahsenfield is born, baptised 3rd Feb to Daniel and Margaret Fahsenfield. - ancestry liverpool records - he dies July 1895
but also John James Hogan is born 8th July 1895 - have cert it says father Stephen Hogan and Margaret Ann Hogan late Fazenfield formally Shepherd
in 23 Aug 1897 Stephen Hogan is born exactley same on certificate as John James.

17th April 1904 Daniel Fazenfield marries Mary Morrisey -Liverpool parish marriages and banns Ancestry - says he a bachalor

then in 25th Aug 1904 Michael Fazenfield is born liverpool catholic baptisms say to Daniel Fazenfield and Margaret Shephard - he also died Oct 1904.


in 31 Aug 1909 Margaret Hogan now called dies, says wife of Stephen Hogan aged 38, daughter Margaret Fasenfield is informant Daughter present at death. - have cert

Stephen appears on 1911 census with boys John and Stephen says widowed married  17 years and 5 children 3 died. - obviously crossed out as not female
dont know other 3 children.

on FindMyPast it has Daniel and Mary at 40 Ascot street, married 7 years no children but says born 1870 -i have his birth as 11 April 1868

Mary dies 1916 and Daniel remarries again 1918 to Mariam Jane Duffy - he dies 1921.

cannot locate Margaret Shepherd, Daniel , or Stephen on 1901 census' nor the children

how can Margaret have 2 children within 4 months of each other to two different men!?
cannot locate a marriage either for Stephen to Margaret - presum just too his name.


please help untangle this mess

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Names i am researching are: Riley, Peaker, Jones,Smith, Dobson, Ford, Humphries, Cross, Peckston, Power, Raby, Raper, Snipe Hulse, Whelan, Darling, Morton, Wild, Moss, Ibbotson, Grimes, Broadbelt, Jowett, Nicholson
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Re: help needed with Margaret Ann Shephard complicated life please
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 22:54 GMT (UK) »
Is this Stephen Hogan in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QYP1-M6PZ

Can’t readily see the on 1901c   ???
Baptism of children

Joannes Jacobus Hogan
Birth Date:   8 Jul 1895
Baptism Date:   17 Jul 1895 St Sylvester (Sylvestri), Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father:   Stephani Hogan
Mother:   Margaritae Sheppherd

Stephanus Hogan
Birth Date:   23 Aug 1897
Baptism Date:   30 Aug 1897    St Sylvester (Sylvestri), Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father:   Stephani Hogan
Mother:   Margarita Shepherd

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1891c Piece:   2901 Folio:   57 page 4
Daniel Fehsenfield   24
Margaret Fehsenfield   20
Margaret Fehsenfield   11/12

FEHSENFIELD, MARGARET  ALICE     mmn SHEPHERD 
1890  S Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 6

Dau Margaret easily found 1901 niece of the Gray’s

Daniel Fahsenfield
Birth 29 Jan 1895
Baptism 8 Feb 1895   Liverpool, St Peter, Lancashire, England
Father:   Daniel Fahsenfield
Mother:   Margaret abode Beresford St
he died 1895




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Re: help needed with Margaret Ann Shephard complicated life please
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 23:06 GMT (UK) »
very complicated
All Saints Liverpool
17th April 1904
Daniel Fehsenfield aged 37 years, bachelor,labourer of 81 Chaucer Street
father Hermann Fehsenfield.labourer deceased
Mary Morrisey aged 37 years widow, 24 Victoria Square
father Patrick Morrisey deceased labourer
witness to marriage William Henry Sinclair Mary Ellen Francis
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: help needed with Margaret Ann Shephard complicated life please
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 23:15 GMT (UK) »
1901 3408/159/65
6 house, 5 Court, Slade Street
Stephen Hoghan 37 yrs general labourer b Dublin
Margaret Hoghan 30 yrs
John Hoghan 5 yrs
Stephen Hoghan 3 yrs

Others b Liverpool
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Re: help needed with Margaret Ann Shephard complicated life please
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 23:17 GMT (UK) »
Is this Daniel's birth entry?

1895 mar West Derby FAHSENFIELD, DANIEL       mmn HAMILTON
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Re: help needed with Margaret Ann Shephard complicated life please
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 23:33 GMT (UK) »
Margaret Alice Fehsenfieldwas born in 1890 ,to mother Shepherd GRO

1901 census , states nieces of Edward and Margaret Gray in Liverpool


it gives her parents names as Margaret and Daniel when she marries in 1915.address 116 Portland Street,
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Re: help needed with Margaret Ann Shephard complicated life please
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 23:37 GMT (UK) »
hi,  to LadyHawk 1st post,  not the 1911 census  for stephen - i dont think anyway ?? , the baptisms to hogan yes, i forgot to say i have daughter Margaret as niece in 1901 - not 1911 though - yes to baptism and death for Daniel

to Radcliffe- yes i have the record from Ancestry with those details
to Heywood - not found that on ancestry - will have a look now.

to Lady Hawk 2nd post- ive not found a birth entry for him on gro just the parish baptism

radcliffe 2nd post - yes i have that one

inbetween my post - i found on FindMyPast Margaret Fasenfield in liverpool workhouse, wife of Daniel says lyin-in 1901 - but not census

also another child John 1892 liverpool catholic baptism to Daniel and Margaret shepherd - in Latin

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Names i am researching are: Riley, Peaker, Jones,Smith, Dobson, Ford, Humphries, Cross, Peckston, Power, Raby, Raper, Snipe Hulse, Whelan, Darling, Morton, Wild, Moss, Ibbotson, Grimes, Broadbelt, Jowett, Nicholson
Areas of interest: Leeds, Castleford, Wakefield, Kent, Westham, Northumberland, Lancashire, Pontefract,  Flintshire, Liverpool

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Re: help needed with Margaret Ann Shephard complicated life please
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 23:41 GMT (UK) »
sorry Joseph born 1892 not John
Names i am researching are: Riley, Peaker, Jones,Smith, Dobson, Ford, Humphries, Cross, Peckston, Power, Raby, Raper, Snipe Hulse, Whelan, Darling, Morton, Wild, Moss, Ibbotson, Grimes, Broadbelt, Jowett, Nicholson
Areas of interest: Leeds, Castleford, Wakefield, Kent, Westham, Northumberland, Lancashire, Pontefract,  Flintshire, Liverpool

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Re: help needed with Margaret Ann Shephard complicated life please
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 09 February 21 23:49 GMT (UK) »
Some thoughts
The child Daniel b 1895 is baptised C o E. the other children are baptised Catholic.

1891 2901/57
Daniel, Margaret and baby Margaret are living in 19 Court, Burlington Street

1895 Daniel son of Daniel and Margaret (who?) baptised - address Beresford Street
1895 Daniel ‘Labsenfield’ (Ancestry) 5 months burial - address 148 Burlington Street 

Maybe, Daniel had a relationship with Margaret Hamilton and they had young Daniel whilst Margaret Shephard was having a relationship with Stephen Hogan.
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