South Lodge Kirknewton

[MonicaL]

I did see that one, Annie. Her father is not right (Robert) 

Monica

[Clareuhi]

Hi Monica, sorry for the delay. The first image was of the Kirknewton birth cert, and the one below is of the Edinburgh/George Square birth cert. I can't see any different info between them. Still trying to find some links to who James, Agnes, and Elizabeth are. Thanks again.

[MonicaL]

Thanks, Clare 

One new thing to add to your pile. This certificate to me has Anges's original signature. Registers were copied by clerks and either the copy register or the original register (no particular reason I think) were sent to General Register House in Edinburgh as the main depository. The images on SP can be from one or the other therefore. Easy enough to tell if it is a copy entry as the writing style is the same throughout.

I have worked on some research where the original signatures on documents determined we were looking at the same person. Hopefully, not to long from now, we will have a marriage cert where Agnes signed the register to let you compare.....

Monica

[Clareuhi]

Thank you. One other bit of information I received from my mum over the weekend was that the use of orphanage and "children's home" was used by my grandmother, so it isn't clear what level of home life she was raised in. My mum mentioned that even as an adult my gran was mostly unable to read or write, so it does seem like she was not educated, but unsure if this was usual for a child born on the late 1920s?

[MonicaL]

From what you mention, Margaret's early years could well have been disruptive and distressing for her. Hard to say more without more details.

Looking back over the last few days, you are making progress....

You have got some details for Agnes from the registration of Margaret:

- We think her father was a James Anderson, byreman, living in South Lodge, Kirknewton.
- We think Anges may have been relatively young, with the description 'daughter of' on Margaret's birth reg.
- The name WICK in Margaret's name seems to connect Agnes to Elizabeth Anderson, who also used the surname WICK for her (twin?) sons, William and Kenneth. Elizabeth lived in the same area as James Anderson, byreman. The two boys were born only weeks before Margaret.
- There is also a William Wick to be found nearby. A gardener by occupation. Potential father to the children of both Elizabeth and Agnes??
- Wick is not a common surname and is very much an Orkney name. William Wick may well be the William Work Wick born 1894 in Orkney, who died in 1973 in Peebles. No obvious marriage for him. You have good details on him and family. Getting sight of his death reg at some point post covid closures will probably help!

As Forfarian has mentioned, the 1921 census will be out next year we believe (no date as yet). This should help to move things forward. We would expect to find Agnes's family in one household with details to let you find more about them. We have no idea at present who her mother was. No names to work with, except that Agnes called your grandmother Margaret Douglas Kirk Anderson. We have some thoughts on Kirk, but for the rest??

Lots to find and discoveries still to make, Clare 

Monica

[Forfarian]

- The name WICK in Margaret's name seems to connect Agnes to Elizabeth Anderson, who also used the surname WICK for her (twin?) sons, William and Kenneth. Elizabeth lived in the same area as James Anderson, byreman.

According to the RCE Elizabeth's son Kenneth died at Southh Lodge, Kirknewton, which was the address Agnes gave on the birth certificate of Margaret.

He died on 12 June, 11 days after Margaret was born and 14 days before her birth was registered.

Agnes called your grandmother Margaret Douglas Kirk Anderson.

Margaret's third name was Wick, not Kirk.

[MonicaL]

My head is stuck with Kirk...rather than Wick. I have had to go back a number of times to edit 

Monica

[MonicaL]

Baby Kenneth's death showed slightly different on his death reg compared to the attached RCE. Also age at death also differed between 1 month to 7 weeks. Nothing of note in respect of Agnes and Margaret, just additional details really.

[Clareuhi]

Monica, you mentioned that the new census may help finding a common household for James (father), Agnes (daughter?), and Elizabeth (sister?) Anderson.
I have been trying all different combinations but am a complete novice. Do you have any suggestions?
If Agnes was listed as “daughter of” on Margaret’s birth cert in 1929 might we think she is still young herself at time of census in 1921?
Elizabeth was listed as dairy maid in 1929, what typical age range does that indicate?
Thanks so much for any helpful insights