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Any thoughts or suggestions about this strange 1939 entry?
« on: Friday 12 February 21 20:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

My GF was born 14.10.1877 and GM born 28.01.1892.
Ages on marriage in 1912 modified (understandably) to 30 & 21.
In 1939 GF's birthday is correct but GM's is 14.02.1877.  ???

Can anyone please explain how the 1939 data was collected.
Would there be any advantage for age?

Any help to clarify this strange puzzle would be very welcome.
Colin

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Re: Any thoughts or suggestions about this strange 1939 entry?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 12 February 21 21:06 GMT (UK) »
Would you be okay with listing their names and where they lived so we can look at the entry?

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Re: Any thoughts or suggestions about this strange 1939 entry?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 12 February 21 21:19 GMT (UK) »
The 1939 register was taken in order to issue identity cards and ration cards, so there would be no advantage in adding years onto a woman's age. It was taken in the same way as the censuses, a form was left at the house to be filled in. It was then collected, checked and identity cards issued immediately. The information on the forms was then entered into the books we see. So a mistake could have been made at that point.

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/
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« Reply #3 on: Friday 12 February 21 21:56 GMT (UK) »
Would you be okay with listing their names and where they lived so we can look at the entry?

Not a problem, but Grandad's first name is -???, surname Cruddace.
Grandma, Esther (Cruddace) Clark, because of later re-marriage.
Address 17 Upper Archer Street, Darlington, England.

Thanks Groom, that's what I thought would have happened.
She was very inventive with dates. Apparently always insisted that my Dad was a new year baby, even though she registered his birth as 2nd January.
I remember my Mam baking a special birthday cake for my Gran, with silver balls showing 60.
She said Gran had to apply for a birth cert. and found that she wasn;t as old as she thought, but 1877 in the 1939 is stretching things too far. Perhaps Grandad was having a bit of fun with it.  ;D

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« Reply #4 on: Friday 12 February 21 22:08 GMT (UK) »
I see a marriage for Benjamin Cruddace to Esther Cooper in 1913.  Is the William Cooper next door, born 1897, related to her?  There are Cruddaces two doors down, another Benjamin.  Just thinking, if she is Williamís mother, she would have been 20 when he was born, if 1877 is accurate.  Looks like the Benjamin born in 1915, mother maiden name Bainbridge. There doesnít seem to be an Esther Bainbridge born during either periods you mentioned.

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« Reply #5 on: Friday 12 February 21 22:52 GMT (UK) »
Benjamin senior is Grandad. Benjamin junior is my dad.
William Cooper is unrelated to my Gran, but you have me completely puzzled when you say Benjamin 1915 has mother Bainbridge.

Many thanks for looking, very much appreciated.

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Re: Any thoughts or suggestions about this strange 1939 entry?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 12 February 21 23:03 GMT (UK) »
I can't see a relevant 1915 Benjamin with the mmn of Bainbridge either?

I presume it's this one?

Births Mar 1915   

Cruddas    Benjamin R   mmn Cooper    Darlington    10a   34
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 12 February 21 23:05 GMT (UK) »
Does this sound better

1877 birth
Benjamin Bainbridge Cruddace motherís name Hodgson

1915 birth
Benjamin R Cruddas mmn Cooper
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Re: Any thoughts or suggestions about this strange 1939 entry?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 13 February 21 08:22 GMT (UK) »
May I suggest that you obtain the marriage certificate for Benjamin and Esther.  This will give you her father's name and therefore a way of looking for her in the 1911, assuming that she is with her parents.

It will also give you her age assuming that it hasn't been put down as over 21 or full age!

You could also go further back in the census records.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire