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Elizabeth Mackay - 1867-1931
« on: Saturday 13 February 21 04:49 GMT (UK) »
I have hit a brick wall and am so confused. If anyone could help me I would really appreciate it.

My 3x Great grandmother was named Elizabeth Mackay she was born between 1865-1868 her fathers name was Robert Mackay he was married to ??? Sutherland. When I am reading her death certificate I can't read the first name of her mother and I cant seem to find where she was born.

There is no marriage certificate that I can find. It looks like she had 7-8 illegitimate children between 1890-1908. On some of the marriage certificates for her children she had a maiden name of Sinclair but I am not sure about that as I can find her in the census at 23 years old and she is a mackay then and has 2 children, living as servant and single.

Does anyone have any advice on how to read the name for her death certificate? Also how would i add the photo to show you what it says. Really any advice you can give me to move forward would be great.

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Re: Elizabeth Mackay - 1867-1931
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 13 February 21 10:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi , welcome to RC  :)

Thread here about attaching images -
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=130922.0
Simple instructions -
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,185004.0.html

Also keep in mind , the information on the death certificate would only be to the best knowledge of the informant.
Did the Census you found give her birthplace as Caithness ?


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Re: Elizabeth Mackay - 1867-1931
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 February 21 11:23 GMT (UK) »
There are two Robert McKay - Sutherland marriages recorded 1855-1870:

Robert McKay m Bettsey Sutherland - Thurso 1857

Robert McKay m Jane Sutherland - Golspie 1860

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Re: Elizabeth Mackay - 1867-1931
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 13 February 21 12:13 GMT (UK) »
"Elizabeth Mackay born 1865-1868 - I can find her in the census at 23 years old and she is a mackay"

What is the info. on the birth certs. of all her children regarding her name as this is where to begin?

Can you give us all the details from the 1891 census or direct us to it so we can have a look?

Where in Caithness do these events occur, it's a big place?

There are quite a few Elizabeth MacKay births in Caithness 1865 - 1868

One in particular...

Elizabeth Mackay 24 Feb 1866 Thurso, Caithness, Scotland

Father's Name Robert Mackay
Mother's Name Margaret Mackay

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Elizabeth Mackay - 1867-1931
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 13 February 21 12:21 GMT (UK) »
Also this record to consider if mother's maiden surname was Sutherland , however father's name is John  :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY5D-H2R


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Re: Elizabeth Mackay - 1867-1931
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 February 21 18:30 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to RootsChat from me too  :)

Is this Elizabeth in 1891 and the entry you have:

William Sutherland 52 farmer b. Sutherland, Laira (spl?...likely Lairg)
Helen Sutherland 49 wife b. Halkirk
Lizzie Mackay 23 domestic servant. A/try have her birth place as Sutherland, Strathpaladah  ::)
William S Mackay 1 Grand Nephew b. Halkirk
Bell Gordon Mackay 2 months Grand Niece b. Halkirk

Address: Harpsdale Road, Halkirk, Caithness

If the relationships are correct, Elizabeth's mother would have been a sibling of William Sutherland (assuming wife Helen is not also a Sutherland by birth). The S for William Jnr looks to be for Sutherland going by his birth reg on SP.

Have you found her and children in 1901 or 1911?

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Re: Elizabeth Mackay - 1867-1931
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 13 February 21 19:12 GMT (UK) »
From what we have, this may be Elizabeth in 1901:

Elizabeth Mackay 38 Head farm servant b. Reay, Caithness
William Sutherland 11 Son
Isabella Gordon 10 Daur
John Mackay 7 Son
Hugh Mackay 5 Son
Catherine Green 3 Daur

Address: Sinclair St, Halkirk

Change in birth place for Elizabeth. More confirmation is needed for sure.

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Re: Elizabeth Mackay - 1867-1931
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 13 February 21 19:13 GMT (UK) »
Isabella Gordon MacKay , birth Feb. 1891 -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTX9-S2W


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Re: Elizabeth Mackay - 1867-1931
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 13 February 21 19:16 GMT (UK) »
There is this birth as a possible, but names are all getting mixed about  :-\

Elizabeth Mackay
Birth 15 Sep 1864 Reay, Caithness
Mother: Elizabeth Mackay

This birth place would fit for that 1901 entry...but not for the 1891 entry.

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