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Two burials of same name exactly 1 year apart
« on: Monday 15 February 21 21:53 GMT (UK) »
I'm tracing my 5xGG Robert Gray. I know almost nothing about him other than he was married to an Ann Allum whom he married in Great Marlow on 23/02/1778

They had 4 children:

Joseph Gray b1781
Ann Gray b1783
Sarah Gray b 1785
Hannah Gray b1790

I've no idea when Robert was born but have presumed it was around 1757 +/- 5 years in Great Marlow. Unfortunately there are two potential baptisms that match, one in 1757 and the other in 1759 and at the moment I've no way of identifying which is correct.

I'm also trying to find a burial for him and as it must be on or after 1790 I can only find two burials in Great Marlow that are possibles. However they match each other almost too perfectly and it makes me wonder if they are in fact the same burial but one has been miss transcribed.

In the record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991 there is a burial for a Robert Gray in Great Marlow on 19 Sep 1791

In the archives of the centre for Buckinghamshire Studies in the Bishops Transcripts (archive reference D/A/T/126/8) there is a burial for a Robert Gray in Great Marlow on 19 Sep 1790

What are the chances of there being two Robert Gray's in Great Marlow that were buried on exactly the same day but 1 year apart? Would you agree that this is more than likely a transcription error or that the date was written down incorrectly in the Bishops Transcript?

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Re: Two burials of same name exactly 1 year apart
« Reply #1 on: Monday 15 February 21 22:12 GMT (UK) »
I would think it is most likely the same burial, probably when the Bishop’s transcripts were made. That’s why it is always important to try and view the original images, then you can  compare the other entries not same pages.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Two burials of same name exactly 1 year apart
« Reply #2 on: Monday 15 February 21 23:26 GMT (UK) »
I had a baptism of a child that was indexed as 1818
 which would have made him a tad early.
When I looked at the register it was in fact 1819.
The top of the page was headed 1818
but halfway down the page the next year commenced.
The 1819 was in the margin and the indexer missed it.

So not an early babe after all.

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Re: Two burials of same name exactly 1 year apart
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 16 February 21 08:09 GMT (UK) »
BUT the England Deaths and Burials transcription says 19 September 1790  :-\  via FindMyPast at least.

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Re: Two burials of same name exactly 1 year apart
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 16 February 21 08:49 GMT (UK) »
Oops - I also see that FS have two dates for Robert's burial - 1790 AND 1791.  :)
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Re: Two burials of same name exactly 1 year apart
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 16 February 21 08:59 GMT (UK) »

I've no idea when Robert was born but have presumed it was around 1757 +/- 5 years in Great Marlow. Unfortunately there are two potential baptisms that match, one in 1757 and the other in 1759 and at the moment I've no way of identifying which is correct.



There is a burial on 20 Sep 1759 for Robert Gray son of Charles, so that eliminates the 8 July 1759 baptism
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Two burials of same name exactly 1 year apart
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 16 February 21 10:05 GMT (UK) »
And there's a burial in 1771, for a Robert Gray son of Robert, but may not be 1757 baptism.

Also burial 28 May 1837 for a Robert Grey age 88, making year of birth about 1756
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Two burials of same name exactly 1 year apart
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 16 February 21 10:14 GMT (UK) »
Coincidentally there is another Robert Gray burial in Great Marlow, same date but exactly a year apart in 1785 and 1786.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Two burials of same name exactly 1 year apart
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 16 February 21 10:18 GMT (UK) »
You might already have this. Ann Gray wife of Robert buried 10 Nov 1816 age 64 ( b abt 1752). She was around 26 when married.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott