Where did they go to?

[Chris5856]

My wife's great grandmother, Elizabeth Gardiner's death certificate in 1931 states that her parents were Robert Gardner and Elizabeth Freeland and that she was married to Edward Peill. I have three census returns from 1881,1891,1901 that all states she was born in Glasgow around 1843.

I cannot find her birth on SP, but I found what must be her sister, Grace Freeland Gardner born in Glasgow in 1839 to Robert Gardner and Elizabeth Freeland. I also found on SP Robert Gardner & Elizabeth Freeland's marriage in Glasgow in 1837.

Thereafter I cant find any of them in the 1841,1851,1861,1871 census returns in here or England.

Elizabeth Gardner (the daughter) reappears on the systems (ancestry) in 1872, when she marries her husband, Edward Peill in Kendal in Westmoreland aged 29. By 1881, The Elizabeth and her new family are back in Scotland.

Why cant I find Elizabeth, her sister and parents from Grace's birth in 1839 till the marriage in 1872? Ive been unable to find the deaths of the parents and Grace. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ive been at this one for quite some time.

Chris.

[scotmum]

There was a James Freeland Gardner born in Glasgow in 1869 to an Elizabeth Freeland Gardner, no father named, who then died aged 5, with death registered in Partick. Could this have been the same Elizabeth who then married in 1872? Not a common name combination.

Sight of both certificates might yield further clues (eg address/es, who registered the birth/death). If it was the same Elizabeth who had the child, it doesn't sit well though with the suggeston in this old, related post https://www.british-genealogy.com/forum/threads/5111-GARDNER-on-1851-Index-help that Elizabeth was already in Westmorland in 1871, with a daughter but no son.

Anyhow, something else to investigate at least.

[Ruskie]

What was Robert the father’s occupation, and age at marriage?

[scotmum]

 If you haven't already, it may also might be worth checking the relationships/marital status, if listed (haven't looked at a Scottish 1841 census in a while so can't recall if they are), of this family group and/or following what became of them, even if only to rule them out

Alexander   Gardner   Male   80   1761   Lanarkshire, Scotland
Ann   Gardner   Female   60   1781   Scotland
Robert   Gardner   Male   30   1811   Lanarkshire, Scotland
Alexander   Gardner Jr   Male   25   1816   Lanarkshire, Scotland
Ann   Gardner   Female   20   1821   Lanarkshire, Scotland
Christina   Gardner   Female   10   1831   Lanarkshire, Scotland
Grace   Gardner   Female   1   1840

The Ref and RD being 644/1 177/ 7 Glasgow.

There seemed to only be two Grace Gardner births in 1839 on SP,  Grace Freeland Gardner and a Grace Gardner in Selkirk. The Selkirk one is accounted for in 1841. Of course, there may have been others born but not registered. There is no Elizabeth, senior or junior.

[Chris5856]

What was Robert the father’s occupation, and age at marriage?

His occupation is given as a farmer on Elizabeths death certificate. However the birth of Grace it says he was a Brewer.

[Chris5856]

There was a James Freeland Gardner born in Glasgow in 1869 to an Elizabeth Freeland Gardner, no father named, who then died aged 5, with death registered in Partick. Could this have been the same Elizabeth who then married in 1872? Not a common name combination.

Sight of both certificates might yield further clues (eg address/es, who registered the birth/death). If it was the same Elizabeth who had the child, it doesn't sit well though with the suggeston in this old, related post https://www.british-genealogy.com/forum/threads/5111-GARDNER-on-1851-Index-help that Elizabeth was already in Westmorland in 1871, with a daughter but no son.

Anyhow, something else to investigate at least.

All leads help, as Ive said this one has stumped me for ages. That lead is excellent and clears up the 1871 & 1861 census returns for Ambleside. Thank you 

[scotmum]

It might be nothing, but regarding your mention of brewer, one of the adult's in the 1841 household I mentioned earlier was a Spirit dealer, although not the Robert, who was a salesman.

[MonicaL]

Following up on your info, Scotsmum...

The Grace from Selkirk is still there with mum in 1851 so easy to exclude.

The family you found in Glasgow, I think the mother might be Ann Stevenson. There are OPR entries that could fit for the eldest in 1841; Robert, Alexander, and Ann.

Robert www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTG7-75V
Alexander www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTLW-45W
Ann www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYQ9-G9G

Other children show for this couple on FS.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Staying with your family, Scotsmum  for the 1851 census. Could this be Elizabeth with paternal grandmother?

Ann Gardner 69 b. Campsie, Stirlingshire
Alexander Gardner 37 joiner b. Cadder
Ann Gardner 27 b. Cadder
Elizabeth Gardner 7 granddaughter b. Glasgow
David Auld 38 visitor joiner b. Troon
Robert Rogerson 33 lodger student

Address: 23 George St, Glasgow

Banns/marriage for parents in 1809 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY71-K2V

Monica