how did Elizabeth Flower Veal relate to Martha Veal?

[Trees]

On the 1841census Thomas and Ann Carpenter have with them Edith, Martha, Mary and Elizabeth(AGE 6)Veal. I have found baptisms for all these girls the first three are daughters of Thomas and Ann or Nancy Veal  Thomas died in 1828 and Ann Veal married Thomas Carpenter 16 Jul 1833
But the baptism for Elizabeth Veal was 19 Oct 1834 Elizabeth Flower daughter of Ann Veal single woman.
Ann(Nancy) was the daughter of Thomas  Higgins and Hester(nee Flower)
Can anyone give any suggestions as to what the situation was please? Thomas and Ann VEAL married in 1818 first child Edith bap 1820
My fist thoughts were that Elizabeth was a grand daughter but Thomas and Ann Veal's Ann was not old enough to be a mother and strangely was not on that 1841 census.(daughters Ann and Mary were baptised together in 1828)

[ColC]

I note the Baptisms/burial on freereg, plus a few extra. I cannot find the marriage, do you know what Ann’s maiden name was?

Parents Thomas a Victualler/Innkeeper & Nancy/Anne
Edith VEAL   Baptism   27 Aug 1820   Somerset   Publow : All Saint
Martha VEAL   Baptism   22 Sep 1822   Somerset   Publow : All Saints
Elizabeth VEAL   Baptism   22 Feb 1824   Somerset   Publow : All Saints :
William VEAL   Baptism   27 Nov 1825   Somerset   Publow : All Saints :
Mary VEAL   Baptism   03 Feb 1828   Somerset   Publow : All Saints
Ann VEAL   Baptism   03 Feb 1828   Somerset   Publow : All Saints :

Mother Ann a singlewomen – Elizabeth age 6 on census 1841

Elizabeth Flower VEAL   Baptism   19 Oct 1834   Somerset   Publow : All Saints :

Thomas VEAL   Age 40 abode Punlow   Burial 14 May 1828   Somerset   Pensford : St Thomas

Colin

[Trees]

Thank you for your interest I have these baptisms ( the two baptised on Feb 3rd we done with two of their Higgins cousins ,strangley  entered one either side of the cousins) I also have the parents marriage. They were Thomas Veal and Nancy(Ann) Higgins The big mystery is why Elizabeth the daughter of the single mother was with Ann and her second husband Thomas Carpenter  in 1841 Little Elizabeth was baptised well after the second marriage so she was not the daughter of Ann Carpenter formerly Veal nee Higgins and where was she in 1851 that may give a clue to who she was

[ColC]

Elizabeth Flower VEAL   Baptism   19 Oct 1834   Somerset   Publow : All Saints
Mother -  Ann Veal a single women.

Still no sign of Elizabeth after 1841 but I have found this strange marriage etc. Maybe Thomas Veal & Ann were related?


St John the Baptist, Farrington Gurney, Somerset Marriage 31 Mar 1839, both residing there

Ann VEAL of full age spinster to Joseph YOUNG of full age a Plasterer and Tiler

Groom father forename   Wm
Groom father surname   YOUNG
Groom father occupation   Carpenter
Bride father forename   Reuben
Bride father surname   YOUNG
Bride father occupation   Clerk and Watchmaker
Witness1   William CHURCH
Witness2   Pheobe YOUNG

1841 St James, Somerset,
Joseph Young  30, Ann Young 30, Mary Murrey all born in County

1851 in Farrington Gurney, with 5 children. Ann age 32 born Chuton Mendip, Somerset

Ann VEAL   Baptism 30 Aug 1818   Somerset   Chewton Mendip : St Mary Magdalene : Parish Register

Parents Reuben a Labourer & Hannah Veal of Chewton Mendip

Colin

[Maid of Kent]

Just a thought could Elizabeth actually be Ann Veal /Carpenter's daughter? 39 is not too late to have a child. The date would have to be tweated a litte, She remarried July 1833 and Elizabeth was baptised in oct 1834 but it doesnt say when she was born. If she wasnt married when Elizabeth was born? they didnt write widow.

[Trees]

I wondered if she was born just before the second marriage but if they waited until after the marriage why not name her Carpenter?
The Farrington Gurney register can be seen on the An..try site. The bride's father was Rueben Veal a watch and clock maker so far I can't link him to Thomas Veal
Thank you everyone

[Maid of Kent]

Who said it was Carpenter's baby? not mine not my name. Does the second name Flower actually nod toward the father.

[Trees]

But by the time of the baptism she was not a single woman The Flower is an odd one as Ann ie Mrs Carpenter was the daughter of Hester Flower but there were other Flowers in the area so the jury is out it could be the father's name or in honour of her grandmother's family,   I think more likely to be the father I wonder if there is a mention in the poor law records for the parish ..that means waiting until after lock down. Most of the Veal children were baptised as newborns but the circumstances may have made Ann hesitant this time

[Maid of Kent]

Ann Veal bap Pensford 1.1.1815 parents John and Hester Veal

Publow 1841 census John Veal 47, Hester 50, Sabey ? 18, Elizabeth 16, Edith 14, Sophia 10, Alfred 7

Is John Veal related to Thomas Veal, that would perhaps make Elizabeth a neice. have found nothing as yet to back this up.