Mathew Didwell 1781-1853 Norfolk help

[trish1120]

Extra to spendloves info;

Also bapt to Matthew/Mary;
JANE Diddle 16 May 1819
ELIZABETH Didwell 05 Feb 1822

1841 Census is no help for Matthew as you say he is is living alone age 60 (1781) in St Peter Walpole.

Maybe Jane?

Marriage;
02 Jun 1846, St Mary Magdalene, Fleet, Lincolnshire*
George HALLIFAX, Bachelor, Sull Age, Fatmer, Father EDMUND a Farmer
Jane DIDWELL, Spinster, Full Age, Servant, Father MATTHEW a Labourer
Witnesses, Sarah HERBERT/John JEALOUS

1851 Census Jane Hallifax is born c 1821 Warpole, Norfolk

She died 1898 in the US

Elizabeth also may have married Lincolnshire 08 Dec 1845 Moulton to James BATEMAN
Details on Father are the same.

All above on FreeREG

EDIT looks like her;
1871 as Elizabeth Bateman 1821 Wapel Norfolk, living in Lancashire
1861 as Elizebeth Bateman 1820 Nawfork, living in Yorkshire
1851 she is in Hunts with her Husband  (where he was born) her pob dittoed from his.

[trish1120]

Ok is Sarah Herbert the 2 June 1846 Marriage witness the Sarah who married John?

[spendlove]

Hi,

Think the clue to this is John Diddle, we see him in the 1851 Census with his Father Mathew but the family name is recorded ad Didwell.
We know who and when Mathew married per previous posts and what happened to his other children all with the surname Diddle.

John Diddle, prior to his marriage in 1846 to Sarah Darkins as John Didwell, is on the 1841 Census as John Diddle aged 2O (because of rounding down in this census is actually aged between 20-24)
Male servant
HO/107/770/10 Sch 80 pg 8. His future wife is on Sch. 18 pg 14 Walpole St. Peter.

Think the question is why did John change his name? Which appears to have occurred between June 1841 and his marriage 1846, he also choses to alter his fathers name in 1851 census however his fathers death is recorded as Diddle.

Spendlove

[trish1120]

I must admit I didnt look for the Marriage of John/Sarah and just posted the mn of Sarah on someones Tree


Thats why I posted about marriage witness.

I am confused though as;

DIDWELL, SAMUEL mmn HERBERT 
GRO Reference: 1850  S Quarter in WISBECH UNION  Volume 14  Page 179

Trish

[Annette7]

Just to point out that I do not think there was any actual name change re. Diddle to Didwell (or vice versa).   Clerics at the time would just write down what the name sounded like to them, most ordinary folk being illiterate at the time.

Annette

[diddymen]

Thanks again everyone for taking a look, I must admit my head is spinning lol! and I might have to print EVERYTHING as it might be clearer with paper in front of me.

I agree name changes could be due to accents, or miss spelling by clerics.

I have got the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 records FHL Film Number1040591 showing Mathew as Didwell died 1853

Also John Didwell's baptism on the Norfolk transcripts showing his parents as Mathew and Mary Didwell and not Diddle

So I don't think John changed the name, and chant see why Mathew would change from Diddle to didwell himself unless it was miss typed by a cleric?

However I've also just found FHL Film Number:   1040559 baptism 1750 for Mathew Diddle which is more than 30yrs before Mathew Didwell's birth (going by census date) ...so this does now make me think they might not be the same person

Does that sound correct?

[diddymen]

Trish, I'm not sure, I understand what you mean:

Marriage;
02 Jun 1846, St Mary Magdalene, Fleet, Lincolnshire*
George HALLIFAX, Bachelor, Sull Age, Fatmer, Father EDMUND a Farmer
Jane DIDWELL, Spinster, Full Age, Servant, Father MATTHEW a Labourer
Witnesses, Sarah HERBERT/John JEALOUS

I do have Sarah Herbert as married to John Didwell, not sure who is John jealous?

[trish1120]

Hi Ddidyman.

Sorry if I confused you but this is what threw me on Spendloves earlier posting;;

Quote;
"John Diddle, prior to his marriage in 1846 to Sarah Darkins as John Didwell."

I had Sarah as nee Herbert and thats why I posted the Bapt for Samuel Didwell mmn Herbert.

I thought this Sarah Herbert may be the marriage witness to Jane Didwell earlier in the year.

John Jealous the other witness may just be a friend