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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 18 February 21 17:50 GMT (UK) »
Elizabeth did marry John Lancelot Rowe.
Harry Addis lists John Rowe as his stepfather on his military papers. 
The family moved to Canada (Calgary, Alberta).  Henry moved on to Vancouver,, British Columbia, and in later years, William Bubb moved to California, USA.

Grandson William Bubb listed Elizabeth Rowe as grandmother and recipient of his pay.

Henry Addis puts his parents as Elizabeth and John on his Vancouver marriage:
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/a7e1ed8c-f6f0-4d77-a220-4f7b2badc168

His wife didn't have knowledge of his parents when filling out his death reg:
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/02a682d7-844c-4986-ab56-f0fb7e231d89

William Alfred Bubb's military file (Hit the link for the digitized pdf file for the whole thing.  References to mother Maud, and grandmother Elizabeth start around page 39ish. It is slow to load)

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=72996

The families are quite trackable through Canadian (and for some, later in California) censuses.

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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 18 February 21 18:16 GMT (UK) »
Good finds, bbart!

School admission record at Tredegar Wharf School for Maude Emily Day dob 19 Dec 1885 - admitted 22 May 1894, parent Emily Day, address 79 Lewis Street, previous school St Paul's Cardiff. Left the district 17 Aug 1894.

Parish marriage 16 Nov 1907 Parish church of Canton, Cardiff
Herbert Sturley 22 bach Lithographer 29 Cumberland Street father Henry Sturley carpenter
Maud Emily Day 22 spinster 29 Cumberland St father Henry Day fishmonger
witnesses Walter John Hallett & Beatrice Day
Death reg Maud Emily Sturley dec qtr 1971 Bristol vol 7b pg 48 dob 19 Dec 1884


Possible marriage Beatrice Day jun qtr 1910 Newport vol 11a pg 337 to Walter John Hallett or Thomas John A Thompson
Beatrice Hallett is shown as a widow on the 1911 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7P8-DY3
However Walter J & Beatrice are together on the 1939 register, her dob 1 Nov 1888
Death reg sept qtr 1969 Newport vol 8c pg 863 dob 1 Nov 1888
Probate index shows her death as 6 Sept 1869 of 43 Fields Road, Newport. Same index, Walter John Hallett died 28 Aug 1956 of 38 Fields Road, administration to Beatrice Hallett, widow.

Register office isn't unusual if one of other of the parties was non-conformist.

Hope this fills a few gaps.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 18 February 21 18:24 GMT (UK) »
Just realised that the Sturleys are on the same 1911 census as Beatrice Hallett, although Maud Emily is enumerated as Lilian.
Birth reg for son William Herbert Sturley march qtr 1909 Newport vol 11a pg 240 mmn Day.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 18 February 21 18:26 GMT (UK) »
Thanks bbart & osprey for joining the discussion.

Beatrice did marry Walter John Hallett in 1910; the 1911 census record is bizarre they stayed married for the rest of their lives. I've heard some 1911 female responses were mischievous (suffragette movement); perhaps Beatrice was feeling like a widow because her husband had joined Territorials in 1911 and was spending a lot of time with them when not working as a plumber. Maud was her elder sister and married to Herbert Sturley.

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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 18 February 21 18:50 GMT (UK) »
Harry Addis grave (click thumbnail under gallery to open a larger picture):

https://covapp.vancouver.ca/burialindex/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonId=18eed25f-3244-4fcf-aa0a-225054a277e9

Possible graves for Elizabeth and John Rowe at Calgary Union Cemetery
ROWE, Elizabeth, bur. 1925-Sep, Lot: 78, Block: 3, Section: P
ROWE, John, bur. 1914-Sep, Lot: 78, Block: 3, Section: P
(Source: http://www.interment.net/data/canada/al/calgary/union/surnames-r.htm )

Moving on to Henry James Day:  there is a Monmouthshire probate index for a James Henry Day, died 06 Jan 1934, with probate to Walter Hallett, plumber, and Jesse Robinson garage attendant.

Who is this Robinson?  And if Henry James went as James Henry, maybe we should be looking for just a James Day in the 1891 census (as he isn't with his family)?

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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 18 February 21 19:06 GMT (UK) »
bbart,
Henry James Day was born in Newport Workhouse 19 Nov 1862, died widower Abergavenny on the date you have. Always known by those names in that order as far as I know. I have no info re Jesse Robinson - first I've heard.

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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 18 February 21 20:36 GMT (UK) »
Gosh, this family really shows the path that many people took in the late 19th/early 20th century in deciding to emigrate.

From what I can see:

James Griffiths and Martha Williams had several children together (were they married?)
1. Elizabeth bn c. 1851
2. Mary Ann bn c. 1854
3. Sarah bn c. 1857
4. Emma bn c. 1860
5. Alfred bn c. 1863

Elizabeth married James Addis.  They had two children:
1. Maud bn c. 1878
?2. Harry bn c. 1880 (was this James' son?)

James died in a colliery accident in 1880, and Elizabeth remarried to John L Rowe in 1883.


Mary Ann witnesses Elizabeth's marriage in 1873 - what happens to her after this?

Do we have any sightings of Sarah after the 1861 census?

Are there any questions we still need to answer?  Where is Henry James Day on the 1891 census?

Does Alfred Griffiths marry Alice Bale in June qtr 1886 (Newport 11a 302) - can we find marriage cert to check known info?

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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 18 February 21 21:12 GMT (UK) »

Does Alfred Griffiths marry Alice Bale in June qtr 1886 (Newport 11a 302) - can we find marriage cert to check known info?

I believe that is correct.  I think their son George is the George Griffiths showing in the 1901 census mentioned by Osprey in reply #14, regarding an odd mix of Rowe, Addis, Griffiths, and Bubb:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9YS-D82

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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 18 February 21 22:07 GMT (UK) »
Are there any questions we still need to answer?  Where is Henry James Day on the 1891 census?

I've never managed to find any 1891 census record for Henry James Day (b19 Nov 1862). There is the story (abs true as far as I know) that they went to Spain in the 1890s, Henry to Superintend the PF Works. Beatrice related how she picked oranges from her bedroom balcony and recalled the impact of the shipwreck when it hit rocks prior to sinking. Her little brother William Henry (b 01 Mar 1895, Newport) (another Harry!) was knocked out of his cot (toddler, so year 1896-7?)