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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #27 on: Friday 19 February 21 10:13 GMT (UK) »
no parish entry for Alfred Griffith's marriage but 1891 census helps with Alice's mother living with them
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4KGW-3PZ

I don't think the James Addis of the colliery accident is the correct one, wrong occupation. The 1877 burial in St Briavels is more likely, death registered James Addis 33 sept qtr 1877 vol 11a pg 7.

If there are no children between Beatrice in 1888 & William Henry in 1895, it could suggest that Henry is elsewhere. Also, Emily is noted as parent on school admission in 1894 for Maud Emily, not Henry, which again suggests he is not around.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #28 on: Friday 19 February 21 12:23 GMT (UK) »
Some slight amendments based on your comments:


James Griffiths and Martha Williams had several children together (were they married?)
1. Elizabeth bn c. 1851
2. Mary Ann bn c. 1854
3. Sarah bn c. 1857
4. Emma bn c. 1860
5. Alfred bn c. 1863

Elizabeth married James Addis.  They had two children:
1. Maud bn c. 1878
?2. Harry bn c. 1880 (was this James' son?)

James died in 1877 - so Harry was definitely not James' son, and Elizabeth remarried to John L Rowe in 1883.


Mary Ann witnesses Elizabeth's marriage in 1873 - what happens to her after this?

Do we have any sightings of Sarah after the 1861 census?

Are there any questions we still need to answer?  Where is Henry James Day on the 1891 census?  There appears to be a gap in children between Beatrice in 1888 and William in 1895 - so is HJD already in Spain?  Or working away elsewhere?

Alfred Griffiths marries Alice Bale in June qtr 1886 (Newport 11a 302) Several children later, they are here on the 1911 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7PH-YJB


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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #29 on: Friday 19 February 21 12:28 GMT (UK) »
Some slight amendments based on your comments:


Are there any questions we still need to answer?  Where is Henry James Day on the 1891 census?  There appears to be a gap in children between Beatrice in 1888 and William in 1895 - so is HJD already in Spain?  Or working away elsewhere?


Looking at the GRO index, crossing referencing maiden names, there is a birth for a Florence May Day, Dec qtr 1892, Newport 11a 238 MMN Griffiths

Note - there is also a Florence MARY Day born in Sept qtr 1892, Newport 11a, 243, MMN Barrett that comes up in Ancestry searches to confuse the issue!!!


I think I have resolved this one - there is a Henry William Day who marries Mary Ann Griffiths in Mar qtr 1892, Newport 11a 263 which would account for the Florence May Day MMN Griffiths birth.


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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #30 on: Friday 19 February 21 15:38 GMT (UK) »
Dear Spidermonkey, bbart, osprey and MabelB,

Thanks so much for all your input - my head is reeling  ??? trying to put it all into a coherent line  ;D

Henry James Day's Spanish episode is still a grey area; I think the theory that HJD may have been away from his family is highly possible. After being born in the workhouse 1862 he was sent to Mill St School Caerleon for foundlings etc. They keep a log of former attendees (at Ebbw Vale archives). In it one of his former teachers has recorded, "that Henry was in the ‘Salvation Army (see him a lot)’; ‘1 Apr 1890 going to Valencia to superintend Patent Fuel works’ and ‘shop in Newport’, obviously referring to his fishmongering business.

His family must have been with him for some time in Spain bec his daughter Beatrice could recite a Spanish childrens' verse till the day she died and the shipwreck story was too realistic to be disbelieved.

Any further thoughts gratefully received. Thanks to all again. Peter


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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #31 on: Friday 19 February 21 16:25 GMT (UK) »
for elimination purposes, the Henry William Day & Mary Ann Griffiths from 1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9TP-7YF

Haven't found a birth registration or baptism for Harry born 1880 as yet. He was 8 months old on the census, so should be registered sept qtr.

Possible for Sarah in 1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V556-RLF

and for Mary
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V556-XHD

Possible marriage Mary Ann Griffiths dec qtr 1876 Monmouth vol 11a pg 65 with Henry John Addis on the same page

1881 census in St Briavels
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-5FYQ

daughter Laura reg march qtr 1877 Chepstow vol11a pg 16 mmn Griffiths

1891 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4KMR-S3Z

1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9TR-9BQ



1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7G1-RB7
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #32 on: Friday 19 February 21 16:33 GMT (UK) »


Haven't found a birth registration or baptism for Harry born 1880 as yet. He was 8 months old on the census, so should be registered sept qtr.



Harry Addis/Griffiths?

There is a birth for Harry Griffiths, Sept qtr 1880, Newport 11a 208

Edited to add - forgot to check the GRO indexes for MMN.  This one's MMN is James.

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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #33 on: Friday 19 February 21 17:13 GMT (UK) »
place of birth on 1881 census is Usk so should be registered Pontypool. Nothing for mmn Griffiths. There are 5 with mmn Williams but not in correct quarter.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #34 on: Friday 19 February 21 18:32 GMT (UK) »
The Harry born 1880ish (son of Elizabeth Griffiths/Addis/Rowe):

Attestation form puts his age as 21 yrs  months, and it was dated 25 Feb 1901.
Place of birth: Parish of All Saints, near the town of Newport, Monmouthshire

Death record says his birthday was 12 Aug 1879

I couldn't find anything at the GRO so perhaps he had another given name besides Harry?

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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #35 on: Friday 19 February 21 19:33 GMT (UK) »

1 Nov 1888, second daughter, Beatrice, BC residence  ‘48 William Street, Newport. On this BC, Emily is listed as ‘Emily Day, late Addis, formerly Griffiths.’

Does the BC say who the informant was?