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Could Katherine be Kathleen?
« on: Wednesday 17 February 21 16:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi folk's,still searching for Grandmother's sister's,Catherine Kirton in 1901 census with family Tyne
Street Saltmeadows Gateshead in 1901 as Kate.1911 in a Catholic orphanage in Tudhoe last trace
she was with Mother and brother John in Split Crow road Gateshead 1920 electoral roll then nothing.
Noticed a wedding in 1921 Newcastle Kathleen Kirton to Henry G Aitken then a death 1966 in Northumberland south working her age out about spot on for our Kate can anyone shed light on this
family post the wedding?
 Any help much appreciated.
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Re: Could Katherine be Kathleen?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 17 February 21 17:12 GMT (UK) »
Have you checked her out on the 1939 register which gives her full birthdate

Buying a copy of the 1921 marriage cert will confirm her fathers name & occupation
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Re: Could Katherine be Kathleen?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 17 February 21 17:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Carole,my brother has 1939 access and her birth date is identical probably need to confirm via marriage
cert for father she died 1966 a year after her sister my Grandmother.
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Re: Could Katherine be Kathleen?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 17 February 21 18:54 GMT (UK) »
How can her birthdate be identical?  Freebmd birth reg shows birth June qtr 1898.
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Re: Could Katherine be Kathleen?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 17 February 21 19:37 GMT (UK) »
Steve - this doesn't help your case, but my husband had an RC Irish Grandmother, registered and baptised as Catherine.

1901 and 1911 census records show her as Kate -- she married as Kate. However she died as Kathleen.

I suspect she had always been known as Kate -- and it was assumed at her death in the 1940s that her full name was Kathleen.
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Re: Could Katherine be Kathleen?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 17 February 21 19:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi Carole apologies ,Familysearch  have her christening with birth date 15/5 1898,I don't have access to the 39 index but I'm told this matches Kathleen Aitken.Can't find a Kathleen Kirton born anywhere on BMD but she could possibly from Ireland which would rule out our Katherine her christening has her name as spelled
with a C.
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Re: Could Katherine be Kathleen?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 17 February 21 19:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Pennine's this is what I'm thinking,my family is riddled with folk using different spelling's and only
using middle names etc,my Dad included!
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Re: Could Katherine be Kathleen?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 17 February 21 20:31 GMT (UK) »
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2FW2-77J

I can't find any christening record on Family Search showing her born on 15th May.  However, it's not unknown for the day & month to be correct on a 1939 entry but the actual birthyear to be out.  The month fits a June qtr registration
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Re: Could Katherine be Kathleen?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 17 February 21 21:07 GMT (UK) »
Can't find a Kathleen Kirton born anywhere on BMD but she could possibly from Ireland which would rule out our Katherine her christening has her name as spelled
with a C.

Catherine, Katherine, Kathleen and Kate are all the same name.
My family had in 19th century:
Catherine on official documents, known as Kitty.
Her granddaughter registered as Catherine, death registration Kate, aged 6.
Another granddaughter, Catherine, also known as Kate.
20th century:
Another granddaughter, half-sister to the one who died aged 6, birth registered as Kathleen, marriage registration Catherine, always known as Kathleen.
Great-granddaughter birth registered Catherine, known as Kathleen, unaware her official name was Catherine until she went to school.

Letter K may be interchangeable with a "hard" C in old records. King Henry Tudor had 3 wives named Catherine/Katherine.  Kathleen Kirton may have been Catherine Curtain or something similar  if whoever registered her death couldn't spell. Irish alphabet has no letter K.
 




























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