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Re: Some help deciphering administration from 1614
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 18 February 21 16:02 GMT (UK) »
Please could you tell me what kind of gown is it in Snip 2 Line 3 and is the spelling correct?

I agree with your reading apart from the first vowel being an o.

The list on this webpage contains three mentions of this type of gown (with diverse spellings - search for grog):

https://sites.google.com/site/eikenzwijn/my-english-friends/clothing-from-wills-inventories-etc-1545-1616

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Re: Some help deciphering administration from 1614
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 18 February 21 17:12 GMT (UK) »
Now the end of the English part of the dischardge:

So there remayneth in          }
this accomptant(es) hand(es)   }        xiiijli viijs xjd


Here’s the Latin that follows the above:

Septimo Novembris 1614 Coram p(re)fato
m(agist)ro Henrico Hungerford R(everen)do &c quo die
dominus admisit Comp(o)t(u)m h(uius)mo(di)
allocavit Jewell’ Joh(ann)i et ^Thome^ ac
Elizabethe Anne Jane Edithe et
Marie, liberis dicti def(unc)ti et unicuique
sum(mam) xxxvs legalis &c.


On 7 November 1614, before the aforesaid master Henry Hungerford, Reverend etc., on which day the master accepted this account (and) allocated to Jewell, John and Thomas, and to Elizabeth, Ann, Jane, Edith and Mary, children of the said deceased, to each one of them, the sum of 35 shillings of lawful etc. [English money]

(I’ll do the bond later, if time.)

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Re: Some help deciphering administration from 1614
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 18 February 21 17:35 GMT (UK) »
Here's the short section in the first snippet:

The Accompt of Humfrey Gunter
administrater* of the good(es) of Jane Parvys
late of Knoyell Odierne in the Countey
of Wiltes made before m(aste)r Hungerforde
Chancellor to the Lo: Bishop of Saru(m)
the vijth of November Anno d(omi)ni 1614
[&c?]

The chardge __________________xxjli ixs vijd



*  He has omitted one vertical stroke here.

Lo:  = Lord

Reference to Knoyle Odiern on p. 181 here:

http://www.wiltshirerecordsociety.org.uk/pdfs/wrs_v10.pdf

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Re: Some help deciphering administration from 1614
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 18 February 21 18:13 GMT (UK) »
Fabulous - thank you so much!
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk<br />Marshall: Leeds/Silkstone/Ashton/Hyde. Griffiths: Llanrhaeder ym Mochnant/Glyn Ceiriog/Ashton. Pilley: Chelmsford/Maldon. Hallas: Ashton/Stalybridge. Large: Tarvin/Manchester/Mossley. McDonald: Ireland/Whitfield/Mossley.


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Re: Some help deciphering administration from 1614
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 18 February 21 18:53 GMT (UK) »
Obligation (abstracted from the Latin)

Humphrey Gunter and bondsman John Parvis, both gentlemen of North Fawley, were bound in the sum of £40 to handle the administration of the estate of Jane Parvis according to the law. Dated 7 June 1614.

(The rest of the Obligation is common form for an administration bond and barely worth transcribing, but I will do it if you need it.)

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The Condicion of this obligation is such, That whereas by

the authoritie of the above named Rev(er)end ffather in god the

lord Bishopp of Sarum The adm(in)istrac(i)on of all & singuler

the good(es) Chattles & Creditt(es) of Jane Parvis late whiles

she lived of knoyll odierne in the Countie of [county omitted] is Comitted*

[...] deceased is Comitted unto the abovebounden Humfrey Gunter

yf theirefore the said Humfrey Gunter doe & shall

satisfie & paie the debt(es) & legasies of the said Jane Parvis

deceased yf anie be w(hi)ch shee owed at the time of her deceas[e]

so farr forth as his good(es) & Creditt(es) will theireout extend

& the lawe Charge him in that behalfe, And doe

alsoe maintaine & Justifie the Inventorie by him to be

exhibited att or before Michaelmas next to be the

full & whole Inventorie of all & singuler the good(es) & credit(es)

of the said deceased And theireuppon doe yeld & Render

upp a trewe & Juste accompte at or one this sid the ffeast**

St Michaell tharchangel next ensewing And further doe

stand to & abid such further order in & about the distribu

ting of the said good(es) as by the Judge of this Courte

shalbe ordered limited & appointed That then this p(re)sent

obligation to be void & of none effect, Or else to stand

& be in full force & vertue

Signat(um) sigillat(um) et delib(er)at(um)
ad usu(m) p(re)fati Re(veren)di p(at)ris in p(rese)ntia
M(agistri[?]) Will(el)mi Tycheborne no(ta)rij pub(li)ci &c.


Signed sealed and delivered for the use of the aforesaid Reverend Father, in the presence of Master[?] William Tycheborne, Notary Public

* lines 5-6 - something has gone wrong with the usual wording here, but it doesn’t affect the sense.
** = at or on this side of the Feast of ...

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Re: Some help deciphering administration from 1614
« Reply #14 on: Friday 19 February 21 11:34 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much for all your help - at some point I will ask for some help with the Latin will of her son John Parvis!!!
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Re: Some help deciphering administration from 1614
« Reply #15 on: Friday 19 February 21 11:52 GMT (UK) »
You're welcome. But if the document regarding her son is in Latin, it won't be a will -- perhaps a Judicial Sentence.

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Re: Some help deciphering administration from 1614
« Reply #16 on: Friday 19 February 21 12:32 GMT (UK) »
Yes, you might be right - the National Archives gives two references:

Reference:   PROB 11/157/634
Description:   Sentence of John Parvis of North Fawley, Berkshire
Date:   09 June 1630
Held by:   The National Archives, Kew

Matches up to the entry on Ancestry:

England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858
Name:   Johannis Parvis
[John Parvis]
Residence:   North Fawley
Probate Date:   9 Jun 1630
Death Year:   Abt 1630
Source Citation
The National Archives; Kew, Surrey, England; Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, Series PROB 11; Class: PROB 11; Piece: 157
Source Information
Ancestry.com. England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013.
Original data:
Prerogative Court of Canterbury: Wills of Selected Famous Persons. Digitized images. Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, Series PROB 1. The National Archives, Kew, England.
Prerogative Court of Canterbury and Related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers. Digitized images. Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, Series PROB 11. The National Archives, Kew, England.

Reference:   PROB 11/156/63
Description:   Will of John Parvis, Gentleman of North Fawley, Berkshire
Date:   22 June 1629
Held by:   The National Archives, Kew

Looks like Ancestry doesn't have the 156 piece referred to above so don't have the copy of that will only the sentence - good thing I double checked on the National Archives - will download the proper will document from there this afternoon and have a read!
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk<br />Marshall: Leeds/Silkstone/Ashton/Hyde. Griffiths: Llanrhaeder ym Mochnant/Glyn Ceiriog/Ashton. Pilley: Chelmsford/Maldon. Hallas: Ashton/Stalybridge. Large: Tarvin/Manchester/Mossley. McDonald: Ireland/Whitfield/Mossley.