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Re: Owens, John Darlington
« Reply #81 on: Tuesday 23 February 21 00:48 GMT (UK) »
After reading information online....I suspect that your friend will not be able to access adoption records. I think access is limited to the person who was adopted....her father.

Can you ask your friend about forms that she would have filled in....accompanying documents......that would have been presented when applying to a court.

I am wondering if, rather than making an application, your friend made enquiries about accessing the records....and was told that the records were closed. 

They were closed to your friend.......because she was not the person who was adopted, and being the daughter was not enough of a case to make.

Your friend does not seem to have much good documentation for BDM events in her father's life, which makes me wonder if there was a formal application. 

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Re: Owens, John Darlington
« Reply #82 on: Tuesday 23 February 21 02:00 GMT (UK) »


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Your friend does not seem to have much good documentation for BDM events in her father's life, which makes me wonder if there was a formal application.

We don't know this of course. 

If she had found the original birth certificate, that has come to light here,  she would not have needed to be here would she?  I sense that the finding of this and then purchasing will throw light on some parts of the puzzle. 

We will be able to help track back the people on BDM & PP.  OP's friend has family lore about a wee boy being deserted, before being adopted,  and it is my experience that this family lore most often has a grain of truth. 

As for records being closed forever, genealogists and historians have been able to use various means to effect a rethink of access to old records around the world. 

On personal access unexplained health issues have been one of the kinds of points leading to access. 

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Re: Owens, John Darlington
« Reply #83 on: Tuesday 23 February 21 02:15 GMT (UK) »
Part quote from above reply:

"family lore most often has a grain of truth."



I totally agree. The story may not be accurate in its entirety but there is bound to be an element of truth in it.

We are not about to give up on this one yet....... ;D


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Re: Owens, John Darlington
« Reply #84 on: Tuesday 23 February 21 02:19 GMT (UK) »

We are not about to give up on this one yet....... ;D


Minniehaha.

No, like a good book, we like to know the ending :)


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Re: Owens, John Darlington
« Reply #85 on: Tuesday 23 February 21 02:22 GMT (UK) »

There has not been much volunteering of information about what documentation the friend has.

We need to hear from Pauline.

Records can be accessed for purpose of medical history, but need to be supported by statement from social / medical worker.

My suggestions are just that....somewhere to proceed with this enquiry....additional to what has already been offered..

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Re: Owens, John Darlington
« Reply #86 on: Tuesday 23 February 21 02:28 GMT (UK) »
One step at a time. I have suggested to Pauline that the first line of action would be to try and obtain the birth printout [perhaps a certificate might be necessary if going down the legal track?] for John Darlington Owens. That, for some reason does not have any additional numbers attached to it as one would expect in an adoption situation.


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GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
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GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Owens, John Darlington
« Reply #87 on: Tuesday 23 February 21 05:43 GMT (UK) »
Yes good advice Minniehaha...then come quickly back to let us know what it says so we can carry on! ;D

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Re: Owens, John Darlington
« Reply #88 on: Tuesday 23 February 21 05:56 GMT (UK) »
Hopefully, it shouldn't be a long wait to hear back, I ordered a Printout in January and it was emailed to me the next day, so they must have had a quiet period :D


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