Jane Roberts, Warrington

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Sarah Thornby looks like "sister visitor" in 1861 to me.

[Tall Al]

Hi,

I can't see a death for Jane Oakes in 1863 age 32.

Have you the death certificate?

Alan

 

[Gibel]

I think it is listed as Jane Oaks.

[Tall Al]

Hi,

Thank you, I see it now.

Interestingly there are 2 Selina's born 1844 - Selina Oakes born Sept Qtr 1844 mothers maiden name Roberts, and Selina Oaks born Dec Qtr 1844 mothers maiden name Rycroft.

According to trees on Ancestry Selina Oakes parents were Thomas Oakes and Frances Rycroft but GRO records show her birth surname as Oaks. Some of the trees say she was the one who married Joseph Vernon (not the one with Roberts maiden name).

There is possibly some mix up here as famiysearch say Selina Oakes from Allostock (father Thomas Oakes) married Peter Leigh Ledward in 1865 in Northwich age 20.

More work needed perhaps?

Alan

[Tall Al]

Hi,

Having looked on Lancs on line parish records there is an Ann Roberts who was a daughter to William Roberts and Martha and was baptised at Sankey Chapel, Great Sankey, Warrington on 2 May 1819. Fathers occupation was Husbandman and abode at that time was Burtonwood.

There were also baptisms at the same chapel for an elder brother and sister when their abode was Great Sankey -

William Roberts - baptised on 14 April 1816 and
Jane Roberts - baptised on 27 March 1814

Alan

[Wodgemac]

Hi Al,
Yes I have a copy of her death certificate, she died of sudden death, natural causes aged 32!!!

I initially went along the line of thinking my Selina Oakes was the one from Allostock, until somebody pointed out that she married Peter Ledeard and they lived in Plumley. The post that is attached to this was asking to confirm it for me.

Do you think that could be the right birth for Jane Roberts? Even if it's the wrong age??

Thanks

Richard

[rosie99]

Sorry, I didn't have my glasses on... so it could be 2 or 6 or any other number on John street???

There are no house numbers showing on the census for John Street, you may have to look at other properties nearby to work out where it was situated

[Tall Al]

Hi Richard,

Jane dying in 1863 age 32 is the thing I am struggling with - it suggests she would have been born c1831 and then had her first child in 1844?

If she was born c1820  she would have been around mid 40's when she died - perhaps she "lost"10 years?

Is the one I posted "your" Ann/Jane - I really don't know - if you are certain she was born c1831, Lancs opc doesn't show a Jane born in Warrington area but there is an Ann Roberts daughter of Wright Roberts and Ann - baptised on 9 May 1832 at St Oswald, Winwick, Warrington - Abode is Croft and fathers occupation is shown as a Weaver.

Alan

[Wodgemac]

Al,
That's what I can't get my head around...
If she was 32 when she died, then it means she was 13 when she had Selina...
But why was her name recorded as Anne in the two birth certificates?
I have copies of both.
Are Ann and Jane two separate people?
If so, what happened to Ann Roberts and who is Jane?

Richard