Polish in Paris, then London?

[manukarik]

There are military papers for a Jean Zaleski (DOB 30 October 1870) naturalised French but born in Russia (now Ukraine) in Kamianets-Podilskyi. Not sure if he's your man but just put up here as you may have to look further afield for his birth.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qea/

[miri_miri]

Hi all,

Joseph John Zaleski’s marriage certificate to Emily Homan arrived. Registered 12th April 1886, and he was 21 years of age. There’s some variation in his birth year over a few of these sources but they all seem to range from 1865 to 1867.

His father as listed as Joseph Zaleski (deceased), shoemaker. Jayaygee, the Paris marriage you found between a Joseph Zalewski (shoemaker) and Elisabeth Klein looks like a possibility. It’s all rather vague at the moment though!

I’m going to do some more searches for his birth using different spellings. Is it possible to search birth records in Paris using the end of a surname as the search term, in order to pick up mistranscriptions? I’ve seen his surname mistranscribed as Taleskie and Faleski, amongst other things..

Thanks for the help all

[jorose]

Who were the witnesses at his marriage in 1886?

Joseph Zaleski and Elizabeth Klein are interesting. They are in England by 1871 (confirmed by some births to them with mother's maiden name Klein):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBD2-YLW
(daughters Elizabeth and Mary sadly passed away young - Elizabeth Zalewski died 1872 and Mary Zaleski died 1873)

Joseph Gabriel Zaleski dies 1877, aged 48
an "Amel Kiss Zaleski" is born 1880
Elizabeth Zalesky remarries 1884 to Emmerich Kiss

Elizabeth lives with Emmerich Kiss in 1881 and 1891, Amel/Emil is listed as their child:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q273-FSXM
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3Y8H-22M

Right now "Gabriel Zaleski" is looking like a good possibility for becoming "Joseph John Zaleski" - there's no sign of a marriage or death for "Gabriel" in England.

[miri_miri]

Jorose - bingo!! Just checked the witnesses for Joseph & Emily’s marriage, and one of them was an E. Kiss. Excellent work!

Now I just need to pin down Joseph Zaleski/Zalewski Snr and Elisabeth Klein in Paris..

[jayaygee]

Birth entry for Gabriel ZALESKI here:

http://archives.paris.fr/arkotheque/visionneuse/visionneuse.php?arko=YTo2OntzOjQ6ImRhdGUiO3M6MTA6IjIwMjEtMDMtMTQiO3M6MTA6InR5cGVfZm9uZHMiO3M6MTE6ImFya29fc2VyaWVsIjtzOjQ6InJlZjEiO2k6NDtzOjQ6InJlZjIiO2k6MjA5NzI2O3M6MTY6InZpc2lvbm5ldXNlX2h0bWwiO2I6MTtzOjIxOiJ2aXNpb25uZXVzZV9odG1sX21vZGUiO3M6NDoicHJvZCI7fQ==#uielem_move=0%2C0&uielem_rotate=F&uielem_islocked=0&uielem_zoom=59

Gabriel's father is given as "Gabriel" which adds substance to Jorose's suggestion that Gabriel could become Joseph John and that his father was Joseph Gabriel.  The only discrepancy is with the age: in the same year Gabriel snr is 43 on Gabriel jnr's birth entry but Joseph is 50 when he marries a few months later:

http://archives.paris.fr/arkotheque/visionneuse/visionneuse.php?arko=YTo2OntzOjQ6ImRhdGUiO3M6MTA6IjIwMjEtMDMtMTQiO3M6MTA6InR5cGVfZm9uZHMiO3M6MTE6ImFya29fc2VyaWVsIjtzOjQ6InJlZjEiO2k6NDtzOjQ6InJlZjIiO2k6MjA5NzUxO3M6MTY6InZpc2lvbm5ldXNlX2h0bWwiO2I6MTtzOjIxOiJ2aXNpb25uZXVzZV9odG1sX21vZGUiO3M6NDoicHJvZCI7fQ==#uielem_move=0%2C0&uielem_rotate=F&uielem_islocked=0&uielem_zoom=55

However, we all know how unreliable ages can be and Joseph didn't produce a birth certificate for his marriage. I haven't found any other references to "Gabriel Zalewski" in a quick search of various French sites, but in view of the large number of variations in spelling, even using wildcards I may well have missed something.

[miri_miri]

Thanks so much for your digging jayaygee. Age discrepancies certainly seem the norm in this family - Joseph/Gabriel Jnr’s birth year seems to vary quite a bit in each source too.

My French is sadly pretty poor - is there any information in the Zalewski/Klein marriage record on their respective birthplaces or parents? And does it say where in Paris they were living at the time?

[jayaygee]

Sorry but no time for a full translation but here are the main points with reservations as to spelling of names (take a look at the signatures too)and places.  The number of the entre is 249 by the way - I see the link I sent is to the first page of the set of images.

Joseph ZALEWSKI, cobbler, aged 50, born Ciechanow (Poland) 5 March 1816
Address: 19 rue Dulong [Paris 17ème]
Father: Jean ZALEWSKI who died Ciechanow abour 1834
Mother: Marie [no surname] died same place about 1830

Elisabeth KLEIN, servant, aged 36, born Andernach (Prussia) 23 June 1833
Same address as JZ above
Father: Antoine KLEIN, deceased [daughter does not know where or when]
Mother: Gertrude NIEDRéE, wife of AK, died Andernach 21 November 1863

Witnesses:
Antoine ZLAMSKI, former officer, aged 54, 17 rue Dulong
Joseph ZASZEWSKI, hatter, aged 70, 3 impasse Dzany
Clément CELEMATT, tailor, aged 45, 21 rue Cherroy
François ZGORSKI, butler, aged 34, 42 rue de Berry
All friends of the parties

Haven't checked but I think the details for the Kleins correspond to the tree on Généanet I sent you the link for.  Perhaps worth contacting the owner.

[miri_miri]

That’s absolute gold jayaygee - thank you so much

[jayaygee]

Apologies the marriage entry is number 449 (image 9/31). I hope I haven't made any other careless mistakes - will check later, but lunch calls.