Thomas LARVIN (aka LAVIN and ALLBUTT), born 1842, Birmingham

[ColC]

By strange coincidence I did some research on Old John St. many years ago, long story.
As a result I happen to have copies of most of the families there in 1851. I thought the following might be of interest. Copies are quite faded.

1851 Back 13, 2 House John St – Larvin family

John 39 Labourer, Mayo? Ireland
Bridget 35, Roscommon Ireland
Thomas 10, Gun Trade, Birmingham
Mary 9 (Could be 7) ditto
Bridget 2 months ditto

1851 Back 13, 5 House John St – 3 doors away.

Larvin all noted as born Roscommon Ireland

John 34 Labourer, Bridget 31, Thomas 10 Labourer
Richard 7, Elizabeth 4.

Colin

[BAC3]

Good Afternoon Colin and thank you,

Quite extraordinary information........is there not a saying about "two coming along"

The matter of choice between the two is, of course, the dilemma.   The family at No: 5 seem favourite in that with the father's age cited as 34 (born 1817) closer reflects the 1841 Census at 20 (born 1821).   Taking occupation as a criterion then, again, the family at No: 5 is indicated, with Thomas shown as a "Labourer" which would mirror his criminal record as a "Labourer" in 1856.   An arbitrary decision possibly.   The family at No: 2 will be kept in reserve!!

Again thank you.   Sadly, Thomas remains elusive beyond 1860.

BAC3

[ColC]

I suppose it comes down to the original prison record, did it note from Birmingham or born Birmingham?

It would be good to find the 1861 census, I have had no luck so far.

Colin

[BAC3]

The criminal records quote "John Street, Birmingham" as both his birth place and father's residence.