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William Hamilton Franks & Sarah Letitia Franks (nee Jones)
« on: Wednesday 24 February 21 08:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi in 1896 my great grandparents left Dublin, Ireland and were sent to New Zealand. This I believe was around March - June. Can any one please assist in finding the ship they travelled on and where they disembarked. They would have had to I believe left from England. William was a "gentleman" and had been studying at Trinity College, Dublin. Sarah was a servant.
Williams father (William Hume Franks)  could not stop them from marrying but consequently paid for their passage to New Zealand and then disinherited his only son.
Many thanks for your time
Dee Newman

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Re: William Hamilton Franks & Sarah Letitia Franks (nee Jones)
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 24 February 21 09:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dee, and welcome :)

If you search Papers Past https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers for the phrase 'william hamilton franks' you'll find some references. Try searching without the middle name, and also search for his wife.

I can't find a passenger record, but I'm sure the resident experts here will be able to help.

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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL

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Re: William Hamilton Franks & Sarah Letitia Franks (nee Jones)
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 24 February 21 09:02 GMT (UK) »
Just a thought, but can you tell us anything else about William's life in New Zealand; occupation, place of residence, clubs or hobbies, where he died and when, etc.

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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL


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Re: William Hamilton Franks & Sarah Letitia Franks (nee Jones)
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 24 February 21 09:50 GMT (UK) »
I think I've found them... :)

From the NZSG CD-ROM, Passenger Lists - Victoria, Australia Outward to New Zealand 1852-1923.

Name: FRANKS Mr
Date of Arrival: 5 Feb 1896
Number: 923
Age: 41
Sex: M
Status:
Occupation: Gentleman
Country: UK
Accomodation: Sal
Ship: WAKATIPU
Port of Departure: Melbourne
Date of Departure: 05 Feb 1896
Port of Arrival: Auckland
Source: PROV VPRS 948
LDS Film: 0352133

Name: FRANKS Mrs
Date of Arrival: 5 Feb 1896
Number: 924
Age: 36
Sex: F
Status:
Occupation: Lady
Country: UK
Accomodation: Sal
Ship: WAKATIPU
Port of Departure: Melbourne
Date of Departure: 05 Feb 1896
Port of Arrival: Auckland
Source: PROV VPRS 948
LDS Film: 0352133


Don't attach too much importance to the dates of departure and arrival, one or the other will be incorrect. Look for newspaper reports etc. to confirm them.

If these are the correct individuals you will need to look for their arrival in Australia, probably to Melbourne, by a different vessel.

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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL

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Re: William Hamilton Franks & Sarah Letitia Franks (nee Jones)
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 24 February 21 09:58 GMT (UK) »
Isnít that a bit old for William Spades?
He was 76 at death in 1942. So b 1866 ish.

There is this couple. Age 27 and 25.   
On the Waihora from Sydney 27 April 1896

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DR53-29P?i=21&cc=1609792&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AV19W-XXD
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Re: William Hamilton Franks & Sarah Letitia Franks (nee Jones)
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 24 February 21 10:06 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Mckha,

I was hoping a resident expert would pop up  ;)

I thought he looked too old, so wasnít sure.

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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL

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Re: William Hamilton Franks & Sarah Letitia Franks (nee Jones)
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 24 February 21 10:07 GMT (UK) »
Family stories are very interesting

The marriage was in 1885.
William was 20 (ie a minor) and his father William Hume Franks was a witness.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10868/5968981.pdf
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Re: William Hamilton Franks & Sarah Letitia Franks (nee Jones)
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 24 February 21 10:08 GMT (UK) »
I had been assuming the specific date given by the OP was because that was immediately after the marriage, but that is obviously not the case.
Should we be looking for some children too?
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Re: William Hamilton Franks & Sarah Letitia Franks (nee Jones)
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 24 February 21 10:23 GMT (UK) »
Ah,  OP meant 1886

First child

1886/313   Franks   Clara Letitia   Sarah Letitia   William Hamilton

Added. She was born 18 Feb  1886.

So travel before then?
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