smith travellers hillingdon/watford

[peterl68]

I am researching my partners tree and as they are travellers i am having problems as you can imagine
the details I have so far is her father Charles Smith was born in we think Hillingdon 1931 and was one of 11 children but the only names we recall are Wally Albert and Noah we do not know the parents but we do know the mothers sister was born Matilda Fletcher in Mile End 1921 but do not know her parents either .
   Is there any one out there who can help we also know the mother of the children Charles Wally Albert and Noah died approx 1938 in Hillingdon Hosital

[ColC]

When and where did Charles die?

What was his mothers maiden name?

No death for Noah in Hillingdon around 1938?

Colin

[rosie99]

Welcome to rootschat

Did your partners parents marry as that certificate should give details for Charles father

Have you tried locating the family on the 1939 register, I realise it will be without their mother who you say died before this

[PaulineJ]

Births Sep 1927   (>99%)
Smith    Walter A    Smith    Watford    3a   1330
SMITH, WALTER  ALBERT        
GRO Reference: 1927  S Quarter in WATFORD  Volume 03A  Page 1330

Births Sep 1926   (>99%)
Smith    Noah    Smith    Staines    3a   4

Assuming that the childrens' aunt's YOB and POB is correct, Most likley born as Smith, later Fletcher.
Births Dec 1921   (>99%)
Smith    Matilda E    Perriam    Mile End    1c   558

Tenuous at best.

[ColC]

I read the 1938 death sentence incorrectly Rosie, however no female Smith died Hillingdom 1938 +/- 2 years.

Colin

[peterl68]

 :)Thank you for the research you have done but Charles Wally Albert and Noahs mother is unknown we do not know any details I do not Walter married  a Raleigh Chapman in Watford in 1957 .I have tried the 1939 register and my partner is definite that after the mother died Charlie Wally Albert and Noah lived with Matilda Fletcher (their aunt) and her mother in 7 Vine Place Hounslow Middx but on the register it shows up as a Frederick and Yolanda Guy living there with 4 others I have looked into it and Yolanda was born a Smith in 1893/94

[PaulineJ]

If matilda was born 1921, then it seems doubtful she would have been given guardianship of 3 youngish boys if their mother died in 1938.

What kids did Yolanda have?

[peterl68]

The children went to live with Matilda AND her mother i cant find any record of Yolanda having children

[PaulineJ]

Trouble is,
Nothing of the "known" facts you've written so far seems to tally with any records.
That's where things are snagging.

I can see nothing on Yolanda before 1939,(she died 1968).
What shows she was a Smith at birth?

What are the details of the other known occupants with Yolanda in 1939?

I can't even find evidence of the 1957 marriage for Wally.

Can youtell us when and where wally died?
Same for Charles (no matching registration for 1931)?
And Noah?

Pauline