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Alec Arthur WILSON b 1904 son of Charlotte Annie ANSCOMBE
« on: Sunday 28 February 21 08:29 GMT (UK) »
Apologies for the length of this. I tried to abbreviate it  :-\

One of my Great Grandmother’s sisters  Charlotte Annie (Nancy) ANSCOMBE ‘Ran away with the butler  (Mr Wilson) to America”  “She and GGM were very close and wrote to each other every regularly until they died.”
“in WW2 she asked if her son could visit them (in Kent) when on leave, but he never did
.”


Charlotte Annie ANSCOMBE was born 27 April 1868, Edenbridge, Kent. had an illegitimate son Alec Arthur ANSCOMBE 

(GRO 1904 J Qtr, St Geo Hanover Sq. Vol 01A page 477)  I do not have this certificate

1 June 1905 Oceanic arrives NY

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JFHJ-LZ8

on passenger list are

Charlotte A. WILSON  37 yrs 6 mths  wife. last perm residence Cambridge   to NY.  going to husband.  Alfred Harvey WILSON, Mansion House Hotel 478 4th Ave NY

Alec Arthur age 10 months.   

Charlotte was actually  37y 1 month so ages are not 100% accurate

I do not think Charlotte and Arthur ever married. he was a lot older than her - born about 1850

Charlotte and Arthur had another child. Olive Grace in 1907 NY.  I can account for her, marriage and death.

Arthur died 1917 (I think, certainly by 1923 when Charlotte applied for naturalization) and Charlotte Annie in 1942

 
I cannot find Charlotte Annie in 1940.  She is not at the 1930 address. 

In 1930 census for Los Angeles

at 946 3/4 West 85th Street

Charlotte A. WILSON  head.  Renting. b England
Alec A  WILSON son 25 b England, Carpenter’s Helper at Elec. Power . Plant
Olive G.  dau 23 b N.Y. Saleswoman, department store



and here is where I am very confused.

1940

at 946 W 85th St

Alec WILSON head 35 married b RHODE ISLAND
Esther WILSON 40  married b Mexico
William son 23 b California

WW2 draft card for an Alex Arthur WILSON  gives dob of 30 May 1904, Providence Rhode Island, Person who will always know how to contact him is J Ybarra of 902 W85th St


at 902 W85th in 1920 is


Josephine Ybarra 48 wd.      all b Mexico except last
Alfonso 13 son
Esther WILSON 23  dau  Divorced
William grandson.  3 0/12   birth place of father MISSOURI



and in 1930

Mary J Ybarra
other family and
Esther B WILSON 32, Divorced
George W. WILSON 13    birth place of father MISSOURI


George William WILSON’s draft card names his mother Esther of 946 W85th St and gives birth of 18 Jan 1917 

Alec Arthur WILSON dob 30 May 1904 died 17 Jan 1977


So.  1. Am I safe to ignore the amazing change in birth place and claim the one apparently born Rhode Island as one and the same as the one born in London?

        2.  How is Esther WILSON connected to the family?  Who was she divorced from?  Alec Arthur cannot be the  father of George William, he would have been only 12
Is there a marriage for her to either WILSON?

       3. Can anyone see Charlotte in 1940?

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Re: Alec Arthur WILSON b 1904 son of Charlotte Annie ANSCOMBE
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 28 February 21 09:29 GMT (UK) »
 I have no idea- but...
All on Ancestry...
.....
California Births:

William G Wilson

Birth Date:
18 Jan 1917
mmn
Escobosa
...............

California Marriages:Esther Escobosa

Marriage Date:
28 Oct 1915

Marriage Place:
Los Angeles, California, USA

Spouse:
 Geo H Wilson 

...................
Maureen




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Re: Alec Arthur WILSON b 1904 son of Charlotte Annie ANSCOMBE
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 28 February 21 09:38 GMT (UK) »
Oh, that fits. There is an Escobosa with the Ybarra on one census.
So it must just be a coincidence that Esther was a Wilson  before living with Alec Wilson.

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Re: Alec Arthur WILSON b 1904 son of Charlotte Annie ANSCOMBE
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 28 February 21 10:40 GMT (UK) »
Did you mention that the  WILSON family are in California in 1910? (Alfred is the husband-not Arthur).
and
Probably Charlotte?
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/60551484/charlotte-annie-wilson


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Re: Alec Arthur WILSON b 1904 son of Charlotte Annie ANSCOMBE
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 28 February 21 16:47 GMT (UK) »

I cannot find Charlotte Annie in 1940.  She is not at the 1930 address. 

In 1930 census for Los Angeles

at 946 3/4 West 85th Street

Charlotte A. WILSON  head.  Renting. b England
Alec A  WILSON son 25 b England, Carpenter’s Helper at Elec. Power . Plant
Olive G.  dau 23 b N.Y. Saleswoman, department store


 3. Can anyone see Charlotte in 1940?

According to Charlotte's death certificate in 1942, she was living at 2319 33rd St, Santa Monica, the same address as her daughter Olive who was the informant. The DC also states she had been living in Santa Monica for 9 yrs, so she must have moved there around 1933 from Los Angeles.

Death Cert: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPMH-NQQK

Here is Olive in the 1940 census living at 2319 33rd St, Santa Monica. I don't see Charlotte, perhaps someone forgot to mention her to the census taker at the time?

1940 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K9WG-9WL

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Re: Alec Arthur WILSON b 1904 son of Charlotte Annie ANSCOMBE
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 28 February 21 17:12 GMT (UK) »

Alec Arthur WILSON dob 30 May 1904 died 17 Jan 1977

So.  1. Am I safe to ignore the amazing change in birth place and claim the one apparently born Rhode Island as one and the same as the one born in London?


On Alec's marriage record in 1936, he states he was born in Providence, Rhode Island.

Marriage:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8JR-7QJ
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L93H-S9SR-Z?i=2734&cc=1804002

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There is no birth for a for an Alec Wilson or an unnamed Wilson son/daughter for May 1904 in the Providence, RI birth records.

Vol. 14-2  Births  1901-1910   Part 2 Kourhi – Z   
Births: https://archive.org/details/alphabeticalinde19prov/page/1246/mode/2up

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Re: Alec Arthur WILSON b 1904 son of Charlotte Annie ANSCOMBE
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 28 February 21 18:23 GMT (UK) »
 :) :) :)

Note to self:Start using FamilySearch again.

Well done RJ137 !

Maureen

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Re: Alec Arthur WILSON b 1904 son of Charlotte Annie ANSCOMBE
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 28 February 21 18:49 GMT (UK) »
Well!  I don’t know how many times I looked on Familysearch trying to find the marriage.
That proves it. He names his parents .
Wonder why he decided to change his place of birth.

Thank you both very much.

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Re: Alec Arthur WILSON b 1904 son of Charlotte Annie ANSCOMBE
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 28 February 21 19:06 GMT (UK) »
Wonder why he decided to change his place of birth.


That IS very odd.

Also-I don't think I've ever seen a marriage by a Spiritualist Minister!

Maureen