Have I hit a BRICKWALL or a well HIDDEN family secret

[PaulC82]

Wow, thank you all!
It’s great to have found a community that has been wonderfully helpful!

[heywood]

May I just ask where you have Mary with a brother Matthew. I might have missed this.
I can see this death with her husband reporting it
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1964/04265/4095539.pdf

Do you have a birth for Matthew?

[PaulC82]

Hello

I had no knowledge of Matthew until last year when local folk mentioned him when I was asking questions about my grandparents Mary (Horgan) and Matthew Cairney
There is a death record  for Mary Ahern in the 1940 who’s passing was informed by her daughter Mary Cairney. The address listed is the same address as the home my father was born in
 

[heywood]

Yes I have seen that.
Matthew Cairney’s address is the same on his death.

Matthew Ahern was found at Casement Place
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1964/04265/4095539.pdf

And Mary Cairney’s address was Casement Place on her death.

I was just trying to place Matthew in the family. 

Added:I think College View/Casement Place is the same

[heywood]

There is this entry for 1911 - I think Free School Lane became College View  The ages are out but that is not unusual. Mary with a daughter Mary.
There is an abundance of Aherns though 

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Middleton_Urban/Free_School_Lane/434538/

Possibility for 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Midleton/Dickinson_s_Lane/1134207/

Possibility for birth

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02247/1845885.pdf

**just to add that there is a John Horgan a few houses away in 1901 but quite a bit younger

[celtic liberty]

Heywood you have found some brilliant things.

I feel I am totally off with the Fermoy connection.

I found  James Cairney in the 1901 Scottish census aged 3 months living with his parents
Patrick  38
Jane     40  formerly Mitchell
John     12
Elizabeth 8
James     3 mos.
Address was 8 Craignestock, Glasgow

If the Mary born on  6 September 1894 as Heywood found  it wouldn't be a surprise at all for her
to reduce her age when she met James Cairney as he was born in 1901.

Catherine the grandmother on the census died  29th March 1910. 

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05426/4516691.pdf


I searched all over the place for Matthew Horgan and no sign of him in Irish records.

I still think Mary was born Mary Ahern and may have assumed the Horgan surname the same as her brother.

I do think it is very unusual for Mary Cairney to correct the status of her mother from Widow to Spinster in 1981  many years after her death.   You would wonder the reason for doing that.


Mary

[heywood]

It is difficult because of (mother) Mary’s age in 1911 but I have found lots of discrepancies with ages before.

Her marital status was corrected in December 1940, I think.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1940/04714/4259430.pdf

Matthew is Ahern not Horgan in his death record.

The only birth I can find is for Edmond Ahern in 1913 with mother Mary.
It was in the workhouse and unfortunately no address is shown so it cannot be proven.
There may be a baptism, I suppose but it is too late for any online records.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01449/1592547.pdf

[PaulC82]

Thank you to all who have contributed.

I will go through the details and finger crossed it all fits!

Many thanks :-)