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Offline Yvonne Donnellon

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Take 2 - can someone check my workings please?
« on: Saturday 06 March 21 09:45 GMT (UK) »
When I started building my tree 3-4 years ago, I made the rookie mistake of accepting the hints on Ancestry without properly checking.  Fast forward to today and I'm much wiser but my confidence has been knocked after I discovered I have had a branch wrong for years and have spent a spent a small fortune on certificates for someone else's family!

So we have my Great Grandparents-

Andrew McNamara BIRTH 3 MAY 1864 • 32 Ford Street Liverpool, Lancashire, , England
DEATH 27 NOV 1923 • Royal Southern Hospital Liverpool, Lancashire, England


Mary Jane Johnson BIRTH 15 AUG 1872 • 26 Gascoyne Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
DEATH 23RD JULY 1930 • 237 Arlington Street ,Liverpool, Lancashire

I had the totally wrong parents for Mary, I THINK I now have the right parents, Catherine Jones and Richard Johnson. The 1901 census has both Andrew & Mary, Catherine and Richard all living together at 6 Lancaster St. - All good right? As further verification, Mary has a sister Alice, who married John James Jockins and I am a DNA match to the ancestors of this couple.

So now we move to the next generation back on Mary's side - I have a wedding cert for Richard and Catherine on 8 Jun 1868 Liverpool, the address is Naylor St for both parties and both are stated as minors. Father is Edward Johnson - a farmer.
First 2 questions - There is a church on Naylor st, is that why they give this address  (I have no records of them living there) and both parties were 20 years old so called minors as they are under 21, yes?

My next concern, I have built my tree out further for Edward, based on the information on the 1891 census that his son was born in Maghull, Lancashire. That fits with the Farmer occupation on the wedding cert and Maghull was very rural in the early 1800's but every document I have found (which fits every other aspect of this story) has as a Canal Boatman, his entire adult life, going back to 1851 census for 99 Damfield Lane Maghull when he was living with Catherine and his 6 kids, through to 1881 census when he has moved to 10 Clement St Liverpool, with his 2nd wife, Margaret.

So if you are still reading, here is my tree on Ancestry, please tell me I'm on the right track now, as the "farmer" on the wedding cert is really worrying me. - Thanks in advance  ;D
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/114805715/family/familyview?cfpid=332268087012


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Re: Take 2 - can someone check my workings please?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 06 March 21 10:26 GMT (UK) »
Edward and Catherine, first child born Downholland 1831, and used st Cuthberts Halsall for the baptisms of six children then Edwin and Richard in Magull  ,if you go back to Elizabeth born/baptised 11th April  1843 her baptism states her Dad is a farmer of Halsall  all the other baptisms give his occupation as boatman, perhaps he did a bit of farming now and again, perhaps a farm labourer rather than a farm owner
but this is another confusing one as there is also a Elizabeth baptised in the same church with the same named parents but he is a boatman date 26th Feb 1843,abode Hascayne are there two Edward and Catherine's
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: Take 2 - can someone check my workings please?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 06 March 21 11:02 GMT (UK) »
the marriage for your Edward and Margaret I assume you have this already
St Pete and Paul, Ormskirk
15th of August 1853
Edward Johnson aged 46, widower of Lathom, father George Johnson deceased sailor,
Margaret Jackson, aged 45, widow of Burscough , father James Williams deceased labourer,
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: Take 2 - can someone check my workings please?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 06 March 21 11:28 GMT (UK) »
Edward and Catherine, first child born Downholland 1831, and used st Cuthberts Halsall for the baptisms of six children then Edwin and Richard in Magull  ,if you go back to Elizabeth born/baptised 11th April  1843 her baptism states her Dad is a farmer of Halsall  all the other baptisms give his occupation as boatman, perhaps he did a bit of farming now and again, perhaps a farm labourer rather than a farm owner
but this is another confusing one as there is also a Elizabeth baptised in the same church with the same named parents but he is a boatman date 26th Feb 1843,abode Hascayne are there two Edward and Catherine's

Thank you - So I ran this through GRO and this came back

    Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:
   JOHNSON, ELIZABETH       BROOKFIELD 
GRO Reference: 1843  M Quarter in ORMSKIRK  Volume 21  Page 554
   JOHNSON, ELIZABETH       SMITH 
GRO Reference: 1843  M Quarter in ORMSKIRK  Volume 21  Page 546
 
If everything I have so far is correct, I know Catharine's maiden name was Smith. - I will order this cert - it better have farmer on it !!!  ;D


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Re: Take 2 - can someone check my workings please?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 06 March 21 11:48 GMT (UK) »
the marriage for your Edward and Margaret I assume you have this already
St Pete and Paul, Ormskirk
15th of August 1853
Edward Johnson aged 46, widower of Lathom, father George Johnson deceased sailor,
Margaret Jackson, aged 45, widow of Burscough , father James Williams deceased labourer,

I have thanks - just to add to the story, Margaret's first husband was also a canal Boatman in the same village! No prizes for guessing how Edward and Margaret met!

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Re: Take 2 - can someone check my workings please?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 March 21 12:37 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Take 2 - can someone check my workings please?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 06 March 21 17:39 GMT (UK) »