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How to find a butler in Harrogate
« on: Wednesday 10 March 21 04:29 GMT (UK) »
I'm trying to find out about Evan Thomas Davies, a distant cousin, who in the 1911 census was a butler at Eden Hall, Kelso, on the Scotland-England border. From about 1935, he lived in Harrogate, and was described as a butler. He lived at the same address on St Hilda's road from the 1930s until his death in 1970.
I'm wondering where he might have worked as a butler during that time, and how I could find out?
Any thoughts?
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Re: How to find a butler in Harrogate
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 10 March 21 06:52 GMT (UK) »
Do you have him on the 1939 register? Is that where his St Hilda’s Road address came from?

You ask where he was working, but wouldn’t a butler have “lived in”?


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Re: How to find a butler in Harrogate
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 10 March 21 08:17 GMT (UK) »
Probate has his address as 45 St Hilda's Road, Harrogate.

Could you please give the information showing for him on the 1939 register
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Re: How to find a butler in Harrogate
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 10 March 21 09:30 GMT (UK) »
For some reason, I haven't been able to find him on the 1939 register. However, he is listed in the 1932 electoral roll at the St Hilda's road address with his first wife, Harriet (nee Dellow), who was a lady's maid. She had also worked at Eden Hall in Kelso. After her death in 1935, he married Annie Johnson, who was working for a different household as a kitchen maid in the 1911 census.
ETD's will was written in 1936, not long after his second marriage, and has the same address. In it, his occupation is butler. When his second wife died in 1979, she still lived at the same address.
I know he had a legacy from an aunt in 1923, which might have enabled him to buy a house.
I've looked at the house in St Hilda's road on Streetview, and it didn't look to me like the sort to require a butler, but I could be wrong. Of course, he might have changed occupations at some point, but he didn't update his will after 1936.
My knowledge of butlers' living situations is, I fear, limited to what I saw on Downton Abbey, which may not be a reliable guide!
I'm told by a young Yorkshire woman that Harrogate could well have provided employment for a number of butlers, being a bit posh.
The 1939 register would help to establish if he and his wife were living there alone or as staff in a larger household. I've looked, but can't find it.
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Re: How to find a butler in Harrogate
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 10 March 21 09:33 GMT (UK) »
That property is not showing with the rest of St Hildas Road in 1939.

Do you have his will (£1.50 from the Probate Office)
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Re: How to find a butler in Harrogate
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 10 March 21 09:36 GMT (UK) »
That's peculiar, Rosie. I wonder why. He was born in Bayswater about 1880 if that's any help.
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Re: How to find a butler in Harrogate
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 10 March 21 09:37 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I have a copy of his will. It's short and sweet -- everything goes to his wife, Annie. I also have hers. They don't appear to have had any children.
Palfrey - Radnorshire, Wales
Odell - Ontario, Canada
Gilmour - Newton Mearns, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Hare - Ipswich, Suffolk, England and Limerick, Ireland
Price - Antrim, Down, (now Northern) Ireland
Freeman - Waterford and Tramore, Ireland
Taylor - Taunton, Somerset, England
Helyar - Clifton, Bristol, England

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Re: How to find a butler in Harrogate
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 10 March 21 09:42 GMT (UK) »
Neither his will nor his wife's mention the house on St Hilda's road, just referring to "all of my real and personal estate" in both cases. She gives a number of legacies to nieces, a great nephew and her husband's god-son.
Palfrey - Radnorshire, Wales
Odell - Ontario, Canada
Gilmour - Newton Mearns, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Hare - Ipswich, Suffolk, England and Limerick, Ireland
Price - Antrim, Down, (now Northern) Ireland
Freeman - Waterford and Tramore, Ireland
Taylor - Taunton, Somerset, England
Helyar - Clifton, Bristol, England

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Re: How to find a butler in Harrogate
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 10 March 21 09:43 GMT (UK) »
Ignore me, there are two separate listings for St Hildas, he is not at no 45

Shame that the wills are no help
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