Author Topic: White family (Killydonnelly, Killycowan, Dunminning, Rasharkin, 1880s-1890s)  (Read 842 times)

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Hello everyone,

As you'll see this is a long shot, but this seems like the best place to try.

I am looking for details about a relative, born Mary Ann WHITE on 3 July 1889 in Killydonnelly, Rasharkin. She was an illegitimate child. No father is listed on her birth certificate and her mother is listed as Lizzie White.

I believe this 1901 census form is hers:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000286530/
As I interpret it, her mother is Lizzie White (born about 1861), whose father is William White (born about 1826). These family members are also listed in the 1911 census at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001370868/. In both of these forms, the family was living in Killycowan, Dunminning. Other family members listed include Agnes White, Magee or Maggie White, John White, and Thomas White.

A marriage between Lizzie White and James Steele is listed here:
http://cullybackeyhistory.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/CULLYBACKEY-PEOPLE-MARRIED-IN-BALLYMENA-REGISTRARS-OFFICE.pdf
but this would be inconsistent with the census forms. No-one with her precise name or date of birth is listed in the school registers on that site.

Because of the very common names involved and the lack of marriage records, it may be impossible to track these people. She had a complicated family history. She was married in Glasgow in 1910 to John Mooney aka Moonie, who died in 1916. She then married George Benney (an Australian soldier) in Wiltshire in 1918, then migrated to Australia in 1920. She had ten children in all.

On her second marriage certificate she stated that her father was William White. I am assuming that she was using her grandfather's name for convenience.

She often used the surname Whyte and the given name May.

I have done a DNA test and have found various people who I cannot trace an obvious link to. Mostly they are people of Northern Irish origin who migrated to America.

I am hoping to identify more of her ancestors. The online searches I've done are just too inconclusive even for speculation. So, if this rings a bell for anyone, or if anyone can suggest some further records to look up, please contact me.

Thanks!

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Re: White family (Killydonnelly, Killycowan, Dunminning, Rasharkin, 1880s-1890s)
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 13 March 21 15:56 GMT (UK) »
You could look for Mary Ann’s baptism to see if her father is named there. If the family were Presbyterian and lived in Killydonnelly in 1889 then the likely churches are probably Rasharkin or Killymurris. There are copies of their records in PRONI.
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Re: White family (Killydonnelly, Killycowan, Dunminning, Rasharkin, 1880s-1890s)
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 March 21 19:26 GMT (UK) »
William White (c1826-1 Dec.1916 Killydonnelly) m. _ (d.bef.1901)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Dunminning/Killycowan/940149/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Dunminning/Killycowan/123501/
1. Lizzie White (c1861-aft.1911)
     a. Maggie White (12 June 1885 Killydonnelly, Rasharkin-aft.1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02640/1973498.pdf
          i. William White (8 Jan.1907 Killycowan-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01712/1677996.pdf
          ii. Thomas White (24 Feb.1916 Killycowan)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01354/1558535.pdf
     b. Agnes White (9 Jan.1888 Killydonnelly, Rasharkin-aft.1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02530/1937126.pdf
     c. Mary Ann White (3 July 1889 Killydonnelly, Rasharkin)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02466/1915835.pdf
2. John White (c1866-aft.1916)
3. Thomas White (c1871-aft.1901)
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: White family (Killydonnelly, Killycowan, Dunminning, Rasharkin, 1880s-1890s)
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 March 21 11:06 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for those suggestions and links! I didn't have the birth records of the other family members. I will try PRONI for baptism records.


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Re: White family (Killydonnelly, Killycowan, Dunminning, Rasharkin, 1880s-1890s)
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 March 21 15:27 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for those suggestions and links! I didn't have the birth records of the other family members. I will try PRONI for baptism records.

PRONI (and Coleraine Library- both now closed at the moment) will have copies of church registers but details not available online. See their Guide to Church Records to see their holdings-
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records
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Re: White family and Birkby/Burby / Killydonnelly, Killycowan, Carclinty, Craigs
« Reply #5 on: Friday 22 October 21 15:25 BST (UK) »
Hi, just thought I would update this, and see if anyone can add information.

I tried PRONI and they had no relevant baptism information.

However, using a mix of DNA tests and reference to newspapers, I am hypothesising that Mary Ann White's father was William James Birkby or Burby, born about 1870, who was the son of John Birkby and Nancy Dempsey. He lived in Carclinty townland, next to Killydonnelly. There is a newspaper article mentioning an "assault" by William James Birkby on Lizzie White of Killydonnelly, so the two people definitely had some kind of contact. This would be consistent with the DNA evidence, which demonstrates a link to Thomas Birkby (1801-1875, died in Toome, Antrim, and a local schoolmaster) and Mary Noble (born about 1805). John Birkby (born about 1839) was their son.

I'm putting this online just for other people's information and also because it's hard to find information about the Birkby family in Antrim. The family name has been spelt in many different ways: Birkby, Birkbey, Burby, Burpee, Brigby to name a few. If anyone has more information about Thomas Birkby and Mary Noble I'd be interested to know.

Thanks!

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Re: White family (Killydonnelly, Killycowan, Dunminning, Rasharkin, 1880s-1890s)
« Reply #6 on: Friday 03 March 23 22:23 GMT (UK) »
Thomas Birkby was my great great grandfather. He was a school master.