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Royal Artillery- request for help tracing Smith, George
« on: Sunday 14 March 21 19:48 GMT (UK) »
The chat room users suggest I post a request for help tracing an ancestor from the military which has puzzled me for years.

George Smith married Caroline in England sometime before or on 1862.  He was a soldier in the Royal Artillery.

His son George Arthur Smith was born in England 1862 (Scottish census records 1891, 1901 and 1911).  He relocated from England to Old Monklands, Scotland and married Margaret Cameron on 1 June 1892.

I cannot not trace the origins of the George Smith senior family in England.

The marriage certificate of The son list the father and mother having been deceased in 1892. The fatherís occupation is listed as a soldier in Royal Artillery.  Presumably George Smith senior died between 1862 to 1892.  Unfortunately the maiden name of his mother is not really legible but did look like McLennon. But the death certificate of the George junior and his marriage certificate give different looking maiden names of the mother.

Any help you can provide me tracing the mother and father - possibly from or around Lancashire- would be much appreciated.

Extracts from the death certificate 1923 and marriage certificate 1892 are from Scotlandís People.

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Re: Royal Artillery- request for help tracing Smith, George
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 March 21 22:51 GMT (UK) »
Extracts of the records. Apologies.

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Re: Royal Artillery- request for help tracing Smith, George
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 March 21 23:38 GMT (UK) »
Could this be them?

Marriage
9th July 1857
Thorpe Hamlet, Norfolk
George Smith full age bachelor sergeant of Royal Artillery St James David Smith mechanic
Caroline Lemon full age spinster tailoress Thorpe Hamlet John Lemon coal merchant

Birth
George Arthur Smith
Sep 1860
Elham, Kent
mmn Lemon




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Re: Royal Artillery- request for help tracing Smith, George
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 March 21 23:42 GMT (UK) »
Itís a possibility but most of the extracts seems to say soldier or private.

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Re: Royal Artillery- request for help tracing Smith, George
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 March 21 23:44 GMT (UK) »
According to the death certificate in 1923 George Arthur was 61 putting his birth around 1862

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Re: Royal Artillery- request for help tracing Smith, George
« Reply #5 on: Monday 15 March 21 03:30 GMT (UK) »
I personally think that the marriage found by Comberton is spot on!   I also thought when checking mothers surname on your attachments that it was Lemon.

George Arthur was also in Old Monkland in 1881 when age is 20 i.e. born latter half 1860 or early 1861 which ties in with the Sept.qtr.1860 birth Comberton located.


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Re: Royal Artillery- request for help tracing Smith, George
« Reply #6 on: Monday 15 March 21 04:34 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Annette7, I didn't want to add information if it was not the correct family.
In case it is, George is in the military on the 1851 & 1861 census entries, also Caroline and children separately in 1861.
1851 1589/452/22 Geo Smith
1861 552/58/2 G Smith
1861 552/77/39 C Smith, R Smith, G Smith

1871 Norwich  1809/13/20
George 42 Ireland Belfast watchman
Caroline 32 Norwich
George A 10 Kent Shorncliffe
William J 4 Devon, Devonport
Harry R 2 Norwich

Children
Rosetta Sarah 1858 Elham, baptised Norfolk
George Arthur 1860 Elham
Lavinia Alexandra 1863 Farnham, Surrey, baptised Aldershot
1864 Rosetta and Lavinia buried two days apart in Aldershot
William John David 1866 Stoke Damerel, baptised Devonport
Harry Robert 1869 Norwich, baptised Norwich, father a watchman



There is a military record that could be George senior
George Smith b 1826 Shankill, Belfast
Service number 820
Attested 1847
4th Bde Royal Reg. of Artillery, matches 1866 baptism
Hope this is useful

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Re: Royal Artillery- request for help tracing Smith, George
« Reply #7 on: Monday 15 March 21 11:19 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks

Can I ask for the source of the records?

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Re: Royal Artillery- request for help tracing Smith, George
« Reply #8 on: Monday 15 March 21 11:25 GMT (UK) »
They are from Ancestry or FindMyPast depending on the record type or area. Images available to see.
Let me know if you need further details.