William James and Father George James 1861 Census and William's Bapt/Birth

[Robincrook]

To give some sort of background and perhaps a few clues as to where William was and indeed his father George were in 1861, listed below is what I have from kind Rootschat members a good year or so ago. Would William's Death Certificate give DOB and where born as in later certificates? William does not seem to know where he originated as there appears to be conflicting locations given ie  Great Clacton, Newport and Bristol! If this is info is considered too much please say and I will delete some of it. Thanks as always. Robin

Interments at Colchester Cemetery.—
For the week ending Friday, October 27;—
includes...William James, St. Botolph, 50 years

1899 Death Registration
William James aged 50 death registered Dec qtr Colchester
Volume 4a Page: 406

1891 Census  St James Colchester
2 Brook Street
William James 42 Fishmonger b Bristol
Emma James 37 b Colchester
William James 14 b Colchester
Elizabeth James 12 b Colchester
Emma James 10 b Colchester
Edward James 8 b Colchester

1881 Census St Botolphs Colchester
Vineyard St
William James Hd 30 b Great Clacton
Emma James Wife 24 b Colchester
William 4 b Colchester
Elizabeth 2 b Colchester

Marriage 15 October 1873 Parish Church St Giles, Colchester
William James (23) Bachelor Private 50th Regt Living Golden Hill Father George James Lath Splitter.
Emma Double(19) Spinster Living Golden Hill Father George Double Labourer

Birth 1874
Mary Ann Jane b Sep Qtr Reg Dist Colchester Vol 4a Page 323 Mmn Double
Birth 1876
(Mary Ann Jane sadly died aged 1 year.)
William James b Dec Qtr Reg Dist Colchester Vol 4a page 345 Mmn Double
Birth 1879
Elizabeth James b Jun Qtr Reg Dist Colchester Vol 4a Page 386 Mmn Double
Birth 1881
Emma James b Sep Qtr Reg Dist Colchester Vol 4a  Page 413 Mmn Double
Birth 1883
Edward James b Sep Qtr Reg Dist Colchester Vol 4a page 447 Mmn Double

Essex newspapers have the 50th Regiment stationed at Colchester in 1873

Courts Martials Registers
William James of 50th Foot
9 Oct 1871, Aldershot
Ref WO 86/20

The worldwide army index for 1871 has a William James in the 50th (The Queen's Own) Regiment Of Foot.
Regimental number 1410.

Census 1871
Hampshire  Aldershot  50th Queens Own Regiment of Infantry
William James Unm 20 Private b Newport Monmouthshire.

The 50th Foot were in Bristol in 1870

[Milliepede]

Would William's Death Certificate give DOB and where born as in later certificates?

I've never seen any with that information on but what year is this for - 1899? 

[rosie99]

Would William's Death Certificate give DOB and where born as in later certificates?

I've never seen any with that information on but what year is this for - 1899?

I don't know when they started putting place of birth on death certificates,  I have only seen it on more recent ones.

[Robincrook]

Thankyou both rosie99 and Milliepede regarding Death Certificates, I have seen mid 1900's the use of DOB and where born on Certificates, I just wondered how far back this practice went, I was hoping 1899! I suspect that William comes from Newport Monmouthshire based on the fact that the earliest info I have of him is in the 1871 Census aged 20 whilst in the Army at Aldershot, and my warped logic suggests to me the earlier the age the more likely that the information gleaned is to be accurate. It certainly is a teaser this one!

[osprey]

more info on this post

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=830712.0

[Robincrook]

You osprey along with others did a tremendous amount of work on this back in June, but it all seemed in the end to lead up blind alleys, I thought I would clear the decks and have a fresh look! I purposely took a break over the winter and decided to have another look now. Thanks for all you did previously, it was much appreciated.