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Arthur Hywel Roberts : born 1894 in Corwen, Merionethshire
« on: Friday 19 March 21 00:45 GMT (UK) »
Trying to find a second marriage for this chap.  His first wife died in childbirth in 1926 but their only son apparently has 4 half siblings.  Presumably Arthur remarried at some point and they are either his children or they are the children of his second wife.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: Arthur Hywel Roberts : born 1894 in Corwen, Merionethshire
« Reply #1 on: Friday 19 March 21 05:51 GMT (UK) »
I believe he might have married Emily Ackling Hughes (1898-1926) on Mar 1921 Corwen, Merionethshire...but i don't know whether 1st or 2nd marriage.

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Re: Arthur Hywel Roberts : born 1894 in Corwen, Merionethshire
« Reply #2 on: Friday 19 March 21 07:30 GMT (UK) »
This shows the quarter in which Arthur's birth was registered

ROBERTS, ARTHUR  HYWEL     JONES 
GRO Reference: 1894  S Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 11B  Page 333
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire


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Re: Arthur Hywel Roberts : born 1894 in Corwen, Merionethshire
« Reply #3 on: Friday 19 March 21 07:53 GMT (UK) »
The second marriage perhaps?

Marriages Jun 1930

Edwards    Elizabeth B    Roberts    Llanfyllin    11b   315
Roberts    Arthur H    Edwards    Llanfyllin    11b   315
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Arthur Hywel Roberts : born 1894 in Corwen, Merionethshire
« Reply #4 on: Friday 19 March 21 08:35 GMT (UK) »
Do you know what his father's name is?  Do you have the certificate from his first marriage or his birth certificate for his full date of birth?

If you have his full date of birth you may be able to find him on the 1939 Register.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Arthur Hywel Roberts : born 1894 in Corwen, Merionethshire
« Reply #5 on: Friday 19 March 21 09:52 GMT (UK) »
The marriage in 1921 is his first marriage to Emily Ackland Hughes - she died in 1926.  His father was I believe John ROBERTS born ABT 1858 Garth, Denbighshire, Wales and I think his mother was Catherine Jane JONES born 3 JUL 1863 Bryn Eglwys, Denbighshire, Wales, death OCT 1943 St Asaph, Denbighshire, Wales.

I have a copy of the birth certificate for the only son from his first marriage; however I am doing the research for a friend and he doesn't want to have to keep paying out for copies of certificates.  I don't think I am going to find him without tracking down this second relationship.

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Re: Arthur Hywel Roberts : born 1894 in Corwen, Merionethshire
« Reply #6 on: Friday 19 March 21 10:02 GMT (UK) »
Okay that's understandable.  It does cost money to buy certs.  As Arthur was born in 1894 his cert can be obtained as a pdf which would cost 7 from the GRO.

I believe his son from his first marriage is probably still alive as I couldn't find him on the 1939 Register.  I found a man with all the relevant initials living in Oswestry in Shropshire.

Married in 1951 in same place as he is currently living.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Arthur Hywel Roberts : born 1894 in Corwen, Merionethshire
« Reply #7 on: Friday 19 March 21 17:39 GMT (UK) »
I do believe G G is correct with this marriage being the second one...  (only one on freebmd in those years)

Marriages Jun 1930   (>99%)
Roberts    Arthur H    Edwards    Llanfyllin    11b   315

Elizabeth B Edwards is the name on of bride FS attached to the 1930 wedding as GG mentioned above.

-Veteran Arthur Hywel Roberts was with Royal Welsh Fusiliers in WW1

Here are some Roberts children born to an Edwards mother near 1930 wedding...

    ROBERTS, ANNIE  JANE      EDWARDS     
GRO Reference: 1930  S Quarter in CAERNARVON  Volume 11B  Page 591

    ROBERTS, CYNTHIA  JOYCE      EDWARDS     
GRO Reference: 1930  D Quarter in BIRKENHEAD  Volume 08A  Page 702

ROBERTS, -        EDWARDS     
GRO Reference: 1932  S Quarter in BANGOR  Volume 11B  Page 577

    ROBERTS, ALMA  IRENE      EDWARDS     
GRO Reference: 1932  S Quarter in CAERNARVON  Volume 11B  Page 541

    ROBERTS, ANNE  IFANWY      EDWARDS     
GRO Reference: 1932  J Quarter in PWLLHELI  Volume 11B  Page 533

ROBERTS, ANNIE  JANE      EDWARDS     
GRO Reference: 1930  S Quarter in CAERNARVON  Volume 11B  Page 591

Boys:

    ROBERTS, ALBERT  EDWARD      EDWARDS     
GRO Reference: 1930  J Quarter in BANGOR  Volume 11B  Page 624

    ROBERTS, ANTHONY  GOODMAN      EDWARDS     
GRO Reference: 1933  J Quarter in HOLYWELL  Volume 11B  Page 225

ROBERTS, ARTHUR  JAMES      EDWARDS     
GRO Reference: 1932  J Quarter in CONWAY  Volume 11B  Page 628

That's all the Roberts children born to an Edwards as listed on GRO. 1934 is the last year in the 30's you can search...

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Birth of Brother of Arthur Hywel Roberts:

    ROBERTS, EVAN  GORONWY      JONES     
GRO Reference: 1898  M Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 11B  Page 332

Birth of Sister of Arthur Hywel:

    ROBERTS, CATHERINE  ANN      JONES     
GRO Reference: 1887  D Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 11B  Page 335

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Elizabeth B Edwards:

EDWARDS, ELIZABETH  BLODWEN      Mother: EVANS     
GRO Reference: 1906  D Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH  Volume 11B  Page 43

Parents of above:   Evan Edwards and Jane Ann Evans

This Elizabeth Blodwen Edwards married a man named Jack Owen in 1838...so unless Arthur Hywel passed away before 1838 (which he didn't) then it's likely not the right one.

Instead I found this other one born in Corwen:  Worth looking into...

     EDWARDS, ELIZABETH  BAINES      BAINES     
GRO Reference: 1896  J Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 11B  Page 347
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Arthur Hywel Roberts parents info:

Father: John Roberts (about 1858-unkown) there are many many in the GRO

Parents of above John 1858:    Robert Roberts (04 JUN 1830-1876) and Ann Jones (about 1835)
Above 1830 John Roberts parents: John Roberts (1801-) and Elinor Thomas (1796-)

    JONES, CATHERINE  JANE      JONES     
GRO Reference: 1863  S Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 11B  Page 387

Catherine Jane Jones parents:  John Jones (18241896)  and Catherine Jones (1825 - death 09 FEB 1909 Bryneglwys, Denbighshire)

Grave of above John and Catherine Jones:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/191109751/catherine-jones

I believe this is Arthur's father's birth info:

     Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
   ROBERTS, JOHN        JONES     
GRO Reference: 1858  J Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 11B  Page 395
 
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Somehow at the beginning of this post I was quoting from the GRO but was not seeing the Corwen entries...so here they are:

Boys born close  to 1930:

ROBERTS, ARTHUR  TECWYN      EDWARDS     
GRO Reference: 1932  M Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 11B  Page 438

    ROBERTS, RONALD  OWEN LLOYD     EDWARDS     
GRO Reference: 1932  S Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 11B  Page 459

    ROBERTS, HENRY        EDWARDS     
GRO Reference: 1933  J Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 11B  Page 447

    ROBERTS, ROBERT  LYLE      EDWARDS     
GRO Reference: 1934  M Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 11B  Page 420

Girls:

    ROBERTS, MARGARET  EVELYN      EDWARDS     
GRO Reference: 1930  S Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 11B  Page 489



ROBERTS, ARTHUR  TECWYN      
his mother is Deborah Myfanwy Edwards


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Re: Arthur Hywel Roberts : born 1894 in Corwen, Merionethshire
« Reply #8 on: Friday 19 March 21 23:53 GMT (UK) »
Gosh what an extensive reply - thank you!  Many thanks to all of you.  I think the next step for me is to get a copy of the birth certificate for Arthur and see if I can track him down in the 1939 census as GG suggests.