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Re: Registered under two surnames
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 16:41 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all for your time. So to be clear - can anyone confirm if my grandad Leslie Gadsby was registered in 1907 when he was born please? Or is it like I suspect not until 1923? I have a cert with no father added. Many thanks

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Re: Registered under two surnames
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 16:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Irrespective of the late birth registration, it appears from your posts that Leslie was definitely the son of Mabel Ada Gadsby only DNA would prove that J S Bywater was the birth father.

What is more interesting, and I may be way off mark, is the fact that Leslie was told at some stage he was cousin to the actual Bywater children.  So did he actually live in the same house of John and Mabel abt 1923?  If he had been placed in a children’s home is not age 16 the time when he would have to leave and fend for himself?

Think you need to consider what you actually know about his early life.

What do you actually know about his life, who did he actually live which may produce more information.

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Re: Registered under two surnames
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 17:07 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, posted before I read your last post.

I do not think his birth was registered when he was born, hence the 1923 late birth registration.

He must be on the census 1911 somewhere. 

Have you an address for the public house he was said to have been born in? 

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Re: Registered under two surnames
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 17:12 GMT (UK) »
I know he didn’t go to Canada with them and spent time with an ‘Aunty’.  I have traced one of his brothers children and they said their dad often said he thought Leslie was his brother - rather than a cousin. I think the shame of what happened in 1907 kept him at arms length from the family but involved to a point. Am looking forward to the next census release as he is not on 1911.  His mother stated no children born! Herself, only sister /husband and mother are all together with her nephew who was same age but no sign of Leslie anywhere. I have looked! The pub in Islington is 29 Elmore Street - I am not sure how to search by address? The landlady was a Newman I believe at time of his birth. Can only assume there as unmarried.

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« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 17:13 GMT (UK) »
You could try contacting the Islington Registry office to see if they have birth certificates for 1907.  If they have then perhaps see if you can get the certificate for 1907.

https://www.islington.gov.uk/birth-death-marriage-and-citizenship/buy-copies-of-certificates

As there does not appear to be any contact details on the above link, I have found the following:-

[email protected]

Phone No: 020 7527 6350

Address: 

Islington Town Hall
Upper Street
N1 2UD

With current covid restrictions I have no idea how long it would take to get any response.

I had a look at the original image of this birth and it has been added at the bottom of the page, which suggests that it was possibly not registered in 1907.

Handwritten entry - X Bywater Leslie Islington 1B S/23.  The X is also in the list of typed names further up the page which is just showing where it is meant to be alphabetically.

Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Registered under two surnames
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 17:17 GMT (UK) »
Thank you - it appears manually handwritten when I search for Leslie Gadsby 1907 and Leslie Bywater 1907 - both appear to point to Sep 1923 registration? Just hope that this was him being made ‘official’ as John Bywaters son. As I said - that name then passed to my mum.

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« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 17:21 GMT (UK) »
I've checked 29 Elmore Street in the 1911 census and there are only three people listed:-

Mary Newman, Charles Gage, Florence Beale all described as Licensed Victuallers.  Checked the image and it is just the same three.

On Find My Past, if you wish to search for an address you click on the Address tab when you get the search page.  You then fill in the name of the Parish or town, the Street and the Area which will be the county.  Quite often just the first two will be enough.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Registered under two surnames
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 17:30 GMT (UK) »
Is there a possibility that Leslie was left with a family member whose surname is not Gadsby and is therefore under that name?
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Registered under two surnames
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 17:33 GMT (UK) »
ooking forward to the next census release as he is not on 1911
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