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Trying to find a Thomas R Fletcher
« on: Sunday 21 March 21 14:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,
This could be a tricky one for you. I am trying to help out my distant relatives in the USA with trying to find a Thomas Robert Fletcher, he was born in England around 1843/5 and went to the USA around 1860, he lived in Watertown, Jefferson, New York, and died in 1908.

Apparently, one US census says he was born in 1845 in Ireland then another census states he was born in England 1843. He is well documented in the USA but trying to find the correct Thomas R Fletcher and who his parents were.

Most of the census just gives his first Name as Thomas, no middle name. Also, he was married twice, first to Ellen Powers and then to a Mary Wylde.

Any help anyone can give to find his correct details and parents would be very welcome, thank you for your time.
Kind Regards
Mike Fletcher
Scotland UK
Fletcher, Lofthouse, Tressider, Dale, McAllister, Beaton, McInnes, Comrie

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Re: Trying to find a Thomas R Fletcher
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 March 21 15:28 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps if you give us details for him when you first have him on US census
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Re: Trying to find a Thomas R Fletcher
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 March 21 15:34 GMT (UK) »
I'll send you Thomas's obit. It states he is a native of England. Besides mentioning his surviving children, his obit also mentions his brother in England. Perhaps with his brother's name you can tie the family together in England?

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Re: Trying to find a Thomas R Fletcher
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 March 21 15:47 GMT (UK) »

Familysearch - shows - Watertown Daily Times - Date 6 Jan 1908
Residence Date 1 Jan 1908 - Death Date 1 Jan 1908
Sadly doesn't tell us where he was born

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q5MR-TXF5

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Re: Trying to find a Thomas R Fletcher
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 March 21 15:49 GMT (UK) »
"We search for information, but the burden of proof is always with the thread owner"

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Re: Trying to find a Thomas R Fletcher
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 March 21 15:55 GMT (UK) »
Like with anyone you are researching you work backwards finding every real record they generated during their lifetime so if they have primary records eg his marriage and secondry records like census which you say shows some conflicting infomation ( as it is given or assumed information in census ) then if I was researching I would be looking for passenger ship records in the US and finding primary information of his name used which is cross referenced with his ID when he booked, the date he travelled, who he travelled with, where from and which ship...some have information about last address before travel, nationality and it helps to know what religion he was, so it gives some starting point.... but many Irish travelled from English ports and many English travelled from Irish ports and there is no passenger records between Britain and Ireland back then or now

It is impossible to blanket search Ireland or England........many assisted emigrants came from Ireland and Britain especially during that time which means the US was flooded with immigrants from Britian/Ireland. 
In Ireland alone there are 32 counties and more than a thousand parishes. It is possible to find dozens of people by the same name and in the same time period as this person.... easier to find in Britain ( England) because of civil birth records started eariler and census is available but still a very difficult task, both places it would at this point  with limited information an impossible task and it would be down to what 'fits' and that is not research it is guess work
Leicestershire:Chamberlain, Dakin, Wilkinson, Moss, Cook, Welland, Dobson, Roper,Palfreman, Squires, Hames, Goddard, Topliss, Twells,Bacon.
Northamps:Sykes, Harris, Rice,Knowles.
Rutland:Clements, Dalby, Osbourne, Durance, Smith,Christian, Royce, Richardson,Oakham, Dewey,Newbold,Cox,Chamberlaine,Brow, Cooper, Bloodworth,Clarke
Durham/Yorks:Woodend, Watson,Parker, Dowser
Suffolk/Norfolk:Groom, Coleman, Kemp, Barnard, Alden,Blomfield,Smith,Howes,Knight,Kett,Fryston
Lincolnshire:Clements, Woodend

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Re: Trying to find a Thomas R Fletcher
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 March 21 16:03 GMT (UK) »

Nauralization doesn't help with his place of birth in the UK - its blank.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFXD-KWV

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9M8-GWWC?i=3530&cc=1999177

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Good find!

On the index card it states his country of birth is  'England'   it is just the index and secondary information but a great start and at least having details of that the full naturisation record can be looked for which might give more details
Leicestershire:Chamberlain, Dakin, Wilkinson, Moss, Cook, Welland, Dobson, Roper,Palfreman, Squires, Hames, Goddard, Topliss, Twells,Bacon.
Northamps:Sykes, Harris, Rice,Knowles.
Rutland:Clements, Dalby, Osbourne, Durance, Smith,Christian, Royce, Richardson,Oakham, Dewey,Newbold,Cox,Chamberlaine,Brow, Cooper, Bloodworth,Clarke
Durham/Yorks:Woodend, Watson,Parker, Dowser
Suffolk/Norfolk:Groom, Coleman, Kemp, Barnard, Alden,Blomfield,Smith,Howes,Knight,Kett,Fryston
Lincolnshire:Clements, Woodend

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Re: Trying to find a Thomas R Fletcher
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 21 March 21 16:06 GMT (UK) »

There is an ancestry tree which suggests the parents are :

George Fletcher 1804–1881
born  1804 - Redbourne, Hertfordshire, England died 7 APR 1881 -  Hertfordshire,

and Ann Almond 1805–1872
born 1805 - Kings Walden, Hertfordshire died 1872 - Kings Walden, Hertfordshire.

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Re: Trying to find a Thomas R Fletcher
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 21 March 21 16:08 GMT (UK) »

Sadly his certificate of marriage to Ellen Powers 6 th June 1869  at St Patricks Church Waterwown NY offers no other clues to parentage.

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