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Re: Place of birth Mexico or Poland
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 07:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi Essnell   

I think Electoral Rolls are  more help than  census records in Australia.

 Very early in the history of 'white' people in Australia,  musters were held to keep track of convicts and settlers. After that electoral rolls are your best bet I believe.  You may not find women until early 1900s.

'Trove' collection of newspapers is also a good source of info.   Our BDM records are pretty good too.

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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Place of birth Mexico or Poland
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 08:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi Wiggy,
yes the electoral rolls are helpful here in Oz but they won't tell me anything about Poland.
Trove does have a lot of info on there - don't know about this set of people though. 

I'll go through those for the Australian part.   This is one slightly neglected section, just the bare essentials while I went off on one of about 8 lines.   Now I have this Polish part.

Thanks for the ideas, all help. Essnell.

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« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 08:31 GMT (UK) »
HI TreeSpirit,
Now that is an interesting piece of information.  I have not checked the immigration recs for here . As I said this is a pretty neglected trail. I always thought they all came out together.

So Otto married in Poland and then came here following his parents.

Ok let me do some checking this end and I'll get back to you.

Essnell.

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Re: Place of birth Mexico or Poland
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 09:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi TreeSpirit,

Ok , I have checked the Arrivals for this end and  just Carl and Adeline and the three children, no Otto,
are recorded.  The birth record says 14th June 1877.  I wonder if he was born on the way over.

Yes,  he must have been because  the ship reached Australia  4th September 1877. If he was born June  he was almost 3 months old when they arrived and would not be on any lists . But he was on a German ship and they would have recorded him as a German Citizen and had all the details documented back in Germany/Poland, when the vessel returned.  I do not know if he would have an Australian Birth record as well. Probably not as the ship would have not been close enough in June for that to happen.I think it still happens this way today.
No wonder little Frederick died.

My Dad was born here but he has a German Birth Certificate as well as the Australian one because he was born before WW1.

Thanks again for all the help.
Essnell


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« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 09:24 GMT (UK) »
No, his birth was 14 January 1877 back in Germany ... as per that BC that I'd added: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=846351.msg7134492#msg7134492

It seems that he got left behind ... maybe he was too weak for the voyage

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« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 09:38 GMT (UK) »
Otto and his young wife Erna got married in January 1914 and 3 months later they departed from Bremen on the Scharnhorst. It seems that Brisbane was their final destination, but I believe that the Scharnhorst did not go further than Sydney.
Scharnhorst schedule: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/176213636?searchTerm=scharnhorst
Australia, Victoria, Inward Passenger List: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSX8-W3LN-5?cc=2778600

Otto is listed as "English" ... I assume that his father would have naturalised when Otto was still a minor. so he would have automatically naturalised as well.

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« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 17:32 GMT (UK) »
Birth certificate fron Otto 1877

Father
Tagelöhner (day worker), Karl Kopitke
wohnhaft (resident) in Neurode
evangelische Religion

Mother
Adeline Kopitke nee Schadowski, his wife
evangelische Religion, wohnhaft (resident) bei Ihm (with him)
Neurode, Vorwerk von Lantow

Born
am dreizehnten(13) Januar 1877, at 8 am
a male child,
Otto Herman Albert

Vorwerk: a smaller village or farm belonging to a larger place

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« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 17:37 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Place of birth Mexico or Poland
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 23 March 21 19:43 GMT (UK) »
I know not all trees are correct - check this one out to see if it confirms your research

https://gw.geneanet.org/erick6?n=schadowski&oc=&p=adeline+ottilie+emilie

the tree owner has Adelines married name as surname - so a direct descendant - Eric Kopittke

Emigration: 5 April 1877Hamburg

https://gw.geneanet.org/erick6?lang=en&p=carl+ferdinand+martin&n=kopittke
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford