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Loretta Clares Garbutt 1844 and Alfred Napolean Garbutt 1842 France
« on: Saturday 27 March 21 10:20 GMT (UK) »
Please can anyone help find the births for these two children.  Their father went to France (we do not know why) and his wife had these two children while they were there.  Fathers name was William George Garbutt (1799) and his wife was Jane.  They had several other children but in the UK.  Several of us are looking at the family as we are direct descendents and are baffled as to where and why they went to France.  they must have gone after July quarter of 1940 as they had a child then in South Shields.

 Thank you for any help you can give
Garbutt Ashington Northumberland,
 Simpson SouthShields,
Clark Northumberland,
Dargue South Shields, 
Atkinson South Shields,
Ellis Tynemouth and Liverpool,
Sadler tynemouth,
Leathley, Routhledge,Forrest.
Herfy Germany,USA and London
Chester London and USA
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Re: Loretta Clares Garbutt 1844 and Alfred Napolean Garbutt 1842 France
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 27 March 21 12:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

I can see them in censuses (wife appears to be Jane not Sarah - did William remarry?), including after Loretta married John Selby, but unfortunately no clues as to where in France they were born - there is no national index to births for France.

What was William's occupation in his later years? Railways and ironworks are some of the industries that would have seen British labourers in France in the 1840s.
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Re: Loretta Clares Garbutt 1844 and Alfred Napolean Garbutt 1842 France
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 27 March 21 12:24 GMT (UK) »
Yes he remarried and wife was Jane.  Sorry I put wrong wife on there.  I have changed it.

He was a brickmaker in 1841 census.

I cannot find any shipping records for that time.  Thought they would give me a clue to where they went.

Thanks

Garbutt Ashington Northumberland,
 Simpson SouthShields,
Clark Northumberland,
Dargue South Shields, 
Atkinson South Shields,
Ellis Tynemouth and Liverpool,
Sadler tynemouth,
Leathley, Routhledge,Forrest.
Herfy Germany,USA and London
Chester London and USA
Hopkins London
Hales London


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Re: Loretta Clares Garbutt 1844 and Alfred Napolean Garbutt 1842 France
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 27 March 21 13:23 GMT (UK) »
https://www.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?country__0__=&country__1__=&country__2__=&country__3__=&country__4__=&exact_day=&exact_month=&exact_year=&from=&go=1&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&nom=garbutt&page=30&place__0__=south+shields&place__1__=&place__2__=&place__3__=&place__4__=&prenom=&prenom_operateur=or&region__0__=&region__1__=&region__2__=&region__3__=&region__4__=&sexe=&size=10&subregion__0__=&subregion__1__=&subregion__2__=&subregion__3__=&subregion__4__=&to=&type_periode=between&zonegeo__0__=&zonegeo__1__=&zonegeo__2__=&zonegeo__3__=&zonegeo__4__=

geneanet gives this

and this
https://www.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?country__0__=&country__1__=&country__2__=&country__3__=&country__4__=&exact_day=&exact_month=&exact_year=&from=&go=1&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&nom=garbutt&page=25&place__0__=south+shields&place__1__=&place__2__=&place__3__=&place__4__=&prenom=&prenom_operateur=or&region__0__=&region__1__=&region__2__=&region__3__=&region__4__=&sexe=&size=10&subregion__0__=&subregion__1__=&subregion__2__=&subregion__3__=&subregion__4__=&to=&type_periode=between&zonegeo__0__=&zonegeo__1__=&zonegeo__2__=&zonegeo__3__=&zonegeo__4__=

and that
https://www.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?exact_day=&exact_month=&exact_year=&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&size=10&type_periode=between&sexe=&nom=garbutt&ignore_each_patronyme=&prenom=alfred+napoleon&prenom_operateur=or&ignore_each_prenom=&place__0__=south+shields&zonegeo__0__=&country__0__=&region__0__=&subregion__0__=&place__1__=&zonegeo__1__=&country__1__=&region__1__=&subregion__1__=&place__2__=&zonegeo__2__=&country__2__=&region__2__=&subregion__2__=&place__3__=&zonegeo__3__=&country__3__=&region__3__=&subregion__3__=&place__4__=&zonegeo__4__=&country__4__=&region__4__=&subregion__4__=&type_periode=between&from=&to=&exact_day=&exact_month=&exact_year=&go=1

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Re: Loretta Clares Garbutt 1844 and Alfred Napolean Garbutt 1842 France
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 27 March 21 14:39 GMT (UK) »
No help...but one does wonder about  a brick lab. going to France - 1842.

Was there something being built? Fascinating.

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Re: Loretta Clares Garbutt 1844 and Alfred Napolean Garbutt 1842 France
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 27 March 21 15:02 GMT (UK) »
I will be having a look into the building projects going on there if possible
Garbutt Ashington Northumberland,
 Simpson SouthShields,
Clark Northumberland,
Dargue South Shields, 
Atkinson South Shields,
Ellis Tynemouth and Liverpool,
Sadler tynemouth,
Leathley, Routhledge,Forrest.
Herfy Germany,USA and London
Chester London and USA
Hopkins London
Hales London

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Re: Loretta Clares Garbutt 1844 and Alfred Napolean Garbutt 1842 France
« Reply #6 on: Monday 29 March 21 12:59 BST (UK) »
Bricklayer = possibly related to railway projects, for example tunnel building.

One example:
http://playandlearn.free.fr/article/2013/20130100railwaysDaniel/workersDaniel.html

http://recherche.archivesdepartementales76.net/?id=recherche_guidee_etat_civil
 - and sure enough, although not one of the children you list, in Pissy-Pôville, 26 February 1845, was registered an English child, Marie Jeanne Garbutt, her father William, working as some sort of bricklayer associated with the railways (aged 40), and his wife Jeanne Trea?, aged 35, who married in Jarrow, Durham, England, 10 August 1834 (?)

I'm going to try and direct link, fingers crossed
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qgu/

Records of the other children can probably be found somewhere in the surrounding villages.
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Re: Loretta Clares Garbutt 1844 and Alfred Napolean Garbutt 1842 France
« Reply #7 on: Monday 29 March 21 13:18 BST (UK) »
His wife was Jane Train.  I do not know who you mean for the Maria aged 40.  They did not have a child Maria.  Thank you for these links, I will have a look at them.

Jac
Garbutt Ashington Northumberland,
 Simpson SouthShields,
Clark Northumberland,
Dargue South Shields, 
Atkinson South Shields,
Ellis Tynemouth and Liverpool,
Sadler tynemouth,
Leathley, Routhledge,Forrest.
Herfy Germany,USA and London
Chester London and USA
Hopkins London
Hales London

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Re: Loretta Clares Garbutt 1844 and Alfred Napolean Garbutt 1842 France
« Reply #8 on: Monday 29 March 21 17:20 BST (UK) »
Jorose : you're right , it is clearly stated in the birth certificate :  William Garbutt ouvrier mouleur briquetier du Chemin de fer = brickmaker for the railway.

Most certainly on the line Rouen -Le Havre or Paris -le Havre