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Did Ely NESS have 2 legal wives ?
« on: Sunday 28 March 21 18:55 BST (UK) »
In 1925 Ely NESS was with his wife Bessie and 4 children and his father in law in  altamont Franklin

But in 1926 he is on a boat with
 " wife " Ella  leaving 233 cheatham hill Street in Manchester UK
+ On border crossings to Mexico in later years

He is cited as husband same birthdate and place of origin on naturalization document of Ella Cohn Ness ./Ella Essinger 1940 both residing
Hamilton hotel  Laredo Texas

Ely NESS died in Mexico in 1949
There are documents on ancestry relating to this but they are in Spanish and hard to decipher

One may be a will in Spanish with lots of details and lists his wife Bessie including her parents names both listed deceased
And an address of Stockton Street
The document is 3 pages long and signed by Ely NESS there is a stamp but no obvious date

I can't find any evidence of a legal marriage between Ely and Ella Essinger nee Cohn
( According to a daughter of  family friend of his daughter he had a bad reputation )

Why would his Mexican will only mention his first wife ? If he only  lived there after his remiarrige
Trying to attach snippet of document
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Re: Was Ely NESS a bigamist ?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 28 March 21 19:01 BST (UK) »
On petition for naturalization - Southern Dist Texas  it this marriage

Ella Cohn Ness / Ella Cohn / Ella Essinger married Ely Ness married 6 November 1924 Greenwich Connecticut.

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Re: Was Ely NESS a bigamist ?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 28 March 21 19:07 BST (UK) »
Yes that's the naturalization petition
She says she is married but where is the evidence +# I hadn't actually seen that there was a date and place given

The Mexican stamp on attached document covers first sentence but I think on next page it says
ano mil noniente et quattro

Which I take to mean 1924 before Ely and Bessie separated
Maybe he had a business in Mexico so wrote a will there .

I haven't found a death for Ella COHN ESSINGER NESS
both her daughter Anna Essinger
+ Ely's son Lew Perez NESS married in Mexico
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Re: Was Ely NESS a bigamist ?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 28 March 21 19:09 BST (UK) »
We can only put partial copies on the site - not full documents.


Federal District, Mexico, Civil Registration Death


Ella Cohn de Ness - 1890 - 30 September 1946 - aged 56 years - México, Distrito Federal, México (Mexico)
Father Maf Cohn - Mother Bertha Cohn - Spouse Ely Ness

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Re: Was Ely NESS a bigamist ?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 28 March 21 19:23 BST (UK) »

Ely Ness - 1878 died 28 March 1948 - aged 70 years.  Mexico
Spouse Bessie Ness.

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Re: Was Ely NESS a bigamist ?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 28 March 21 19:28 BST (UK) »
Thanks Sandra
If he did  marry Ella in 1924

I wonder why he was on census with first wife in 1925 ...doesn't make him a bigamist maybe just staying with ex wife and children

& In 1930 Bessie is down as head of household married with her 4 children but I suppose there was a stigma to putting divorced

Maybe the above document is a divorce
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Re: Was Ely NESS a bigamist ?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 28 March 21 19:32 BST (UK) »


The word for divorce is similar in spanish - divorcio .

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Re: Was Ely NESS a bigamist ?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 28 March 21 19:37 BST (UK) »
Whatever the document is it gives lots of information
But I think it says Bessie's father's name Lazar and deceased
Her father Samuel was also known as Lazarus but was still alive in 1924

There are USA addresses given and David or Daniel  Shapiro of 179 Floyd street  is mentioned ...I have DNA matches to Shapiro s but don't know how they link

# correction There is  another NESS name Max and ? I SHAFFER  I think they were witnesses to something but it's not their signatures on this document
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Re: Was Ely NESS a bigamist ?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 28 March 21 19:40 BST (UK) »
Just under Yacatan stamp it says .
...del matrimonial
So looks like a reference to the marriage
Could it be an annulment or dissolution  of a marriage? 
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