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Initial precis Sasine 1623
« on: Monday 29 March 21 06:56 BST (UK) »
I'd be grateful if somebody could cast their eye over this to fill any gaps , and correct any mistakes.

Unfortunately, the whole thing is then written in LAtin, so I don't know if it mentions any specific children of John and Agnes.
This sounds to me more like the sasine where John is receiving the land at Todhill, not him passing it on.
He does die just 6 years later, and the 8 acres at Nethersyde is again mentioned. He has 5 children by 1629, the eldest old enough to be executor.
The 'sherifdom' should be Lanark I think, but I can't make it out very well.
Todhill schotte'?

Ane Instroument of seasing gevin be Jon
Leip(er) flechor in Strafavon Baillie ? Gavin
Talyor portioner of nethersyde To Johne
Cochrane in Strafaven and Agnes Moresonn
his spous the Langer levar of thame twa in
conn ? sie and aires betwixt thame lawfullie
procreat or to be procrat quhilles failzeing the
aires & assignes of the said Johne Cochrane
quhatsoevir off all & haill aucht ackers of
his aucht schilling foir penny land of auld
extent of nethersyde in yat pairt callit the
Todhill schotte withe the pertindtes Lyand within
the Barone of Avendaill & sherifdome of L
undar the hand writt of James Young notar
producit be the said Johne Cochrane and
Regrat the Tent day of July The yeir of god
Jaj vjC Twentie Three yeirs


Thanks very much
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Initial precis Sasine 1623
« Reply #1 on: Monday 29 March 21 09:38 BST (UK) »
Ane Instroument of seasing gevin be Jon
Leip(er) flechor in Strahaven Baillie of Gawin
Tailzor portioner of nethersyde To Johne
Cochrane in Strahaven and Agnes moresoun
his spous the Langer levar of thame tua in
conn[junc]t fie and aires betuixt thame lawfullie
procreat or to be procrat q[uhi]lks failzeing the
aires & assignes of the said Johne Cochrane
quhatsoevir off all & haill aucht ackers of
his aucht schilling foir penny land of auld
extent of nethersyde in that pairt callit the
Todhill schotte withe the pertine[n]tis Lyand within
the Barone of Avendaill & sherifdome of lan[ar]k
undar the hand vritt of James Young notar
producit be the said Johne Cochrane and
Reg[ist]rat the Tent day of July The zeir of god
Jaj vjC Tuentie Thrie zeiris

John Leiper is bailie of Gavin Taylor, in other words his representative in the land transaction. It is very common for bailies to be used. It is not a permanent paid post, John is just deputising for Gavin on this one occasion.

John and Agnes get the land in conjunct fee, i.e. they own it jointly.

Schotte is correct. You find it in place-names. A schot or shot is a place from which salmon nets can be put out into a river. A tod is a fox, so Todhill would be Foxhill south of the border.

I have sent you a message about the Latin part.

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Re: Initial precis Sasine 1623
« Reply #2 on: Monday 29 March 21 10:44 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much GR2.

So John Cochran is getting the land from Gavin Taylor?

I see there is still a little street in Strathaven called Todhill, or Todshill, and a burn does indeed come very close to it at one point. Possibly that was where the land was. It's not very far at all from Strathaven castle.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs


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Re: Initial precis Sasine 1623
« Reply #3 on: Monday 29 March 21 12:58 BST (UK) »
You would have to read the sasine itself to be sure of everything, but it is likely that the land has been sold by Gavin Taylor. The date is that of registration in the Register of Sasines. The following Latin text will give you the actual date of the transaction, which can sometimes be much earlier.