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Re: Matthew Forbes mystery daughter & step-daughter
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 30 March 21 00:28 BST (UK) »
I feel I am encouraging you to spend money on SP  ;D

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Re: Matthew Forbes mystery daughter & step-daughter
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 30 March 21 00:29 BST (UK) »
I have 12 credits left.... I must choose wisely  ;D
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Matthew Forbes mystery daughter & step-daughter
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 30 March 21 01:46 BST (UK) »
I think I've got enough to conclude that Margaret Boyd was Sarah McNeil's daughter, and therefore step-daughter to Matthew Forbes per the lair register.  But what I was really trying to establish is whether Matthew had any children of his own.  I was particularly intrigued by the daughter using the Forbes surname when Sarah was using the surname Neil..... and I've made a breakthrough.

The daughter was born Greenock c1834, and as Matthew's first wife was Janet Steel this family looked interesting:  https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a15488df4040b9d6e5a55d6/jane-forbes-1841-renfrewshire-greenock-1834-?locale=en

I bought the 1868 death certificate for Henry (as Henry Steel Forbes), and it names his parents as Matthew Forbes, Tailor (deceased), and Janet Steel (deceased)   ;D

So Fanny/Fannel/Janet Forbes may actually be Jane.  I wonder if she headed back to Greenock?

Time to buy more credits I think!
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Re: Matthew Forbes mystery daughter & step-daughter
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 30 March 21 13:19 BST (UK) »
Hey, well done with that!

Also, re-reading, you have got a marriage in the OPRs for Matthew F and Sarah McNeil in 1848. Wonder why there is no mention of Matthew on her death cert in 1866. Maybe son Neil McKenzie didn't like him!

Did Margaret McKenzie Boyd show father Neil on her death cert?

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Re: Matthew Forbes mystery daughter & step-daughter
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 30 March 21 13:33 BST (UK) »
Did Margaret McKenzie Boyd show father Neil on her death cert?

The writing is a bit awful, but yes, I'm pretty sure it says Neil McKenzie.   
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Re: Matthew Forbes mystery daughter & step-daughter
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 30 March 21 17:20 BST (UK) »
I don't think that Henry F and wife Ann Dow had any (living) children?

Ancestry have them indexed below for 1851 with an interesting spin on Forbes  ::) Note the birth place for Henry (fits with his 1841 entry when he shows as born outside of Renfrewshire):

Henry Jubes 24 journeyman tailor b. Glasgow
Ann Jubes 24 b Paisley

Address: Jameson's Land Church Street, Lochwinnoch

1861 still without children:

Henry S Forbes 34 Tailor And Clothier Employing 6 Men & 2 Boys  b. Paisley    
Ann Forbes 35     b Paisley
Ann Dow 60 Mother-in-law
Ann B Forbes 8 Niece - wonder who parents are (brother to Henry or a sister)?
James Mcintyre 5 Nephew b. Alloa www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYBF-JXH

Address: 8 High St , Paisley

I can't see a will for him on SP which would have helped maybe if he had left bequests etc for his family members.

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Re: Matthew Forbes mystery daughter & step-daughter
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 30 March 21 17:46 BST (UK) »
I hadn't found that 1851, so thank you for that  :)

I started looking for Ann B Forbes last night but without much luck, so I think I need to add everyone into my FH program and then try again more methodically.

I'm really quite excited by all of this, as the Forbes side of the family had been a bit of a mystery for years, and I only recently confirmed the connection between Matthew's father & my direct line. 
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Re: Matthew Forbes mystery daughter & step-daughter
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 30 March 21 18:08 BST (UK) »
Sometimes step children or grandchildren especially if illegitimacy involved are referred to as neice nephew on Scottish census

I have an example.of 3 siblings who alternate surnames between birth mother's respective birth father's step father and even step grandfather's !
  Very complicated
I hope you unravel your relations in less time
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Re: Matthew Forbes mystery daughter & step-daughter
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 30 March 21 20:10 BST (UK) »
You do get re-energised and enthused for sure  ;)

I am going to add another research target for your growing list...

I came across a William Forbes on the 1851 census (born c 1827 in Glasgow). He is lodging in the Gilmour household in Helensburgh, Dumbartonshire. His occupation shows as a tailor.

Roll on 10 yrs to 1861, William has married a Gilmour girl, Janet. Their entry from 1861 below:

Catherine Gilmour 62 Head
Mary Gilmour 32 Daughter
Janet Forbes 30 Daughter
William Forbes 37 Son-in-law tailor b. Glasgow
Thomas Forbes 8 Grandson
Henry Forbes 7 Grandson
Matthew Forbes 2 Grandson
Jessie Gilmour 9 Granddaughter

Address: Clyde St Mcfarland Land, Helensborough

The occupation of William and a son called Matthew is what got me looking!

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