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Records for John Joseph Holt
« on: Tuesday 30 March 21 13:19 BST (UK) »
Hi, I hope this is ok to ask. 
I have a cousin named John Joseph Holt, born 1923 in Liverpool, England.  Family story goes that he jumped ship and was never seen again.  His parents John Robert Holt and Josephine (nee Westerman) tried many times over the years to find him, with no success. 
I have found death records (1980) that match age, parents names etc but no other details. Are there any records I could look at online, as I'm in England? The death record states it was in Victoria. 
 
Many thanks

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Re: Records for John Joseph Holt
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 30 March 21 19:42 BST (UK) »
Hi and welcome  :)

Death 1980 Parkville Victoria
John Joseph HOLT aged 57y
born Liverpool England
f John Robert HOLT; m Josephine WESTERMAIL
Vic reg 25563/1980

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Re: Records for John Joseph Holt
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 30 March 21 22:26 BST (UK) »
Victorian certificates hold a lot of detail.

Here is what you may expect to find-
Name
Date
Death place
Age
Occupation
Cause of death
Parents' names
Spouse names
Marriage details
Chns names
No of chn
Birthplace


Sue
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Re: Records for John Joseph Holt
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 03:49 BST (UK) »
John Joseph Holt
died 31 Oct 1980
service 5 Nov 1980; cremated; Fawkner Memorial Park
https://www.gmct.com.au/deceased/1124611


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Re: Records for John Joseph Holt
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 04:13 BST (UK) »
There are three different John Joseph Holts in Victoria in the 1977 electoral rolls. Two of these have Trove newspaper marriage notices that indicate Australian parentage. The remaining one is living in Altona with Miriam Hazel Holt, who died in 1998 as Miriam Hazel Newton, also known as Holt.
https://www.gmct.com.au/deceased/1020129

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Re: Records for John Joseph Holt
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 05:02 BST (UK) »
Miriam had been married in 1935

Miriam Hazel MCDONALD
Jno Leonard NEWTON 
1935/ 1494

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There was at least one child from the NEWTON marriage. A son, now deceased. (6/4/ 2014)

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Re: Records for John Joseph Holt
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 07:50 BST (UK) »
The National Archives of Australia have this passenger arrival record on their index:

John Joseph HOLT, born 1923 - arrived Melbourne per SS MOOLTAN 16 July 1952
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/NameSearch.aspx

No other useful details as it's only an index.

Do you have any knowledge of his occupation as this might help work out which of the three men found on the electoral rolls by matthewj64

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Re: Records for John Joseph Holt
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 08:14 BST (UK) »
Building on Judith information the UK outward passenger record shows further details for that passenger.

Holt John, Aged 29. Last address- 32 Seansbrick Drive Norris Green.
A storeman. Embarked London. Scheduled for Australia.
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A quick google and Norris Green does seem to be in Liverpool ;D
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Re: Records for John Joseph Holt
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 01 April 21 14:38 BST (UK) »
A massive thank you to all have answered! 
I have managed to get hold of his death certificate  and it does state he wasn't maried. 
It has answered some questions and in turn opened up so many more (as usual!).  Where the story came from that he 'jumped ship' is a mystery. I do know that his father tried until his death to find him, with no success.  I may have a little dig around Miriam Hazel Holt, to see if I can find anything on her.
Again, many thanks to to you all x