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Offline Jill Eaton

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Identifying the correct Margaret Barrington and Ann Williams
« on: Wednesday 31 March 21 15:37 BST (UK) »
My great aunt Norah (Hannah, Hanorah) Bradshaw was living in Canning Town in 1893 - according the catholic census 1893, found on FindMyPast. She was living with her son and her husband, who was a sailor.

There are two other women living with her. Ann(e) Williams and Margaret Barrington. Norah's maiden name was Williams and I'd hoped that Ann, having the same surname, would be able to lead me to Norah's father - the long-lost and still-not-identified John Williams.

Rootschatters did an amazing job of discovering loads of information about Norah, and at the time the thread was active I was certain I'd discovered the identities of both the other women.

In January this year I had a computer disaster. Some of my information was not backed up (just one more cr**py happening in the years 2020/2021)

I've gone back to the register of the 1893 catholic census and discovered that some of the information I'd followed may in fact be incorrect. The Margaret Barrington I'd identified as living at 56 Baron Street, Canning Town in 1911 was a widow from Limerick. However, looking at the register there is no cross under the "married" column. I'm not certain if this means Margaret had never been married or no longer had a living husband at the time of the census.

Ann Williams is still not identified to my satisfaction. I can see from the register that she was married at the time of the 1893 census and that she was over the age of 21 but that's about it.

Norah's mother was born in 1832 and her father in approx 1831 (his age calculated from his death certificate) Norah was born in 1865 so I've gone along the lines that Ann and/or Margaret might be an older relative and born around the 1830's or of a similar age to Norah, born in the 1860's.

The only thing that I can say with certainty is that they were born before 1872 and were catholic.

If anyone has any ideas how to positively identify these ladies I would be very grateful.
Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire

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Re: Identifying the correct Margaret Barrington and Ann Williams
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 16:16 BST (UK) »
Must confess I didn't know there was such a census in 1893. 

However have you found them on the 1891 census?
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Re: Identifying the correct Margaret Barrington and Ann Williams
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 16:24 BST (UK) »
Might Ann Williams be her mother

1891

William Bradshaw 32
Hannah Bradshaw 25
Hannah Williams 59 mother in law
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Re: Identifying the correct Margaret Barrington and Ann Williams
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 16:42 BST (UK) »
Might Ann Williams be her mother

1891

William Bradshaw 32
Hannah Bradshaw 25
Hannah Williams 59 mother in law

I did consider this but there is actually a better candidate for the mother Hannah Williams on the 1893 catholic census.
There is a Hannah Williams living on her own at a completely different address from Norah. She is on the register as being a widow, and from a mixed marriage. Her husband, John Williams, died in 1871 and Hannah (nee Fuller) was baptised C of E. John and Hannah married in a C of E ceremony, implying that John was the catholic. The marriage would then be "mixed"

And interestingly the comments about the children being in danger of criminal classes is amusing, if somewhat judgmental!
Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire

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Re: Identifying the correct Margaret Barrington and Ann Williams
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 16:45 BST (UK) »
My last post also seems to imply that Margaret Barrington was indeed single as widowhood has been annotated.
Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire