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Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 03 April 21 09:53 BST (UK) »
People object to carrying ID cards yet think nothing of having to produce your driving licence if stopped by the police, show your passport to leave or enter the country, produce a bus pass to travel free on a bus and in a lot of jobs these days wear a lanyard bearing a card with your name and photo. What's the difference?

Look at what you have written and I am sure you could instantly see the difference, but just in case:-

A  driving licence is required to show you have passed your driving test for the relevant class of vehicle. They are they to identify you have acquired adequate skills to be safe to be in charge of the vehicle.

Your passport is the proof that you are travelling under the protection of Her Majesty's Secretary of States and may pass the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance. It also guarantees the bearer the protection and assistance of HM Government as may be necessary. You may think that is a load of nonsense but if you have a serious accident abroad and cannot pay to be repatriated to the UK the government will make the arrangements an pay the costs required, in some cases they may not even require recompense for such costs.

A bus pass to travel free is a form of ticket to travel on the bus the relevant bus company is compensated, in the form of government grants for allowing passengers to travel with a pass.

The lanyard you mention is part of your terms of employment and is a private contract between you and the company which you have agreed to on taking the employment.

All the above are completely different from being prevented to enjoy recreation open to all.
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Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 03 April 21 13:19 BST (UK) »


Look at what you have written and I am sure you could instantly see the difference, but just in case:-





Do you have to be so patronising?

In everything you've quoted the documentation is carried to prove something. In the same way an ID card would be carried to prove who you are, or in the case of a Vaccine passport to prove that you'd had the vaccine. There could also be another one if you were unable to have it through medical reasons.
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Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 03 April 21 13:38 BST (UK) »
an ID card would be carried to prove who you are, or in the case of a Vaccine passport to prove that you'd had the vaccine.
But why should we have to prove anything of the sort?  We are not at war, and this is a free country.
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Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 03 April 21 17:58 BST (UK) »


Look at what you have written and I am sure you could instantly see the difference, but just in case:-





Do you have to be so patronising?


In everything you've quoted the documentation is carried to prove something. In the same way an ID card would be carried to prove who you are, or in the case of a Vaccine passport to prove that you'd had the vaccine. There could also be another one if you were unable to have it through medical reasons.

I shall ignore your patronising question Groom, as I value all human life.


Yes but the difference is have to prove medical history in such cases is a proven breach (case law) of  Article 8(2) of the The Human Rights Act 1998 and therefore illegal. It also breaches Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights and Article 8 of the International Convention on Human Rights, so no matter what level you want to take it to it shows the UK in a bad light in the UK, Europe and the World the UK government can overrule UK law by statutory instrument, they can even just ignore European Law but they cannot escape the affect of the International Convention on Human Rights.

In addition having any of the current covid vaccines does not provide 100% assurance that the vaccinated person cannot become infected with covid, in fact it is accepted that a vaccinated person can catch covid but it seems such an infection is less severe to them.
There is currently no evidence that a vaccinated person cannot pass any asymptomatic covid infection to another person.
There is however evidence to show that many people who have had at least one covid vaccination are less likely to conform to the current covid safety rules.

The most dangerous thing in all is the government is likely to comply with the wave of request for a vaccine passport to allow people to travel and socialise more.
In actual fact the vaccine passport should be called the death passport because that is bound to be the result for a number of people the only question is -
What is the acceptable death toll?

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Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 18 May 21 23:10 BST (UK) »
And if vaccine passports were issued, it won't be long before there is a ready made market for fakes and fake Certificates etc., which makes them meaningless.
 

I don't know that that would be true. There isn't a ready market for fakes of the myriad of inoculations that are already required to travel round the world.   

Yes, fake passports, driving licences and the like do exist, but they cost! Why would someone pay a substantial sum of money for something that they can get for free. And not just free, the Government is actively encouraging people to take the jab for free. 

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Regarding fake certification in relation to Covid, just been said on BBC Newsnight that according to Border Force they have discovered about 100 Covid Test Certificates a day used by travellers were fakes.

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Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 19 May 21 01:04 BST (UK) »
I think I am in trouble.  I took a careful look at my Covid Card. It is filled in very carefully and correctly but under Healthcare Professional or Clinic Site it is Stamped SLCoHD. Yes that is where I went to have both shots done.

I would have to explain  I had both first and second shots  done at Salt Lake County (Utah) Health Department.

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Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 20 May 21 10:18 BST (UK) »
Barry,

You've lost me there.  :-[

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Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 20 May 21 12:58 BST (UK) »
The Scientist on the UK BBC this am was saying we are not over this yet.

One UK Media outlet claimed yesterday afternoon that the last 5 Covid Admissions at one UK Hospital, which I found surprising.

Official numbers had used some admission figures based on 25.

It was claimed on C4 News several weeks ago from India, that a few sufferers had had both vaccines.

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Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
« Reply #26 on: Monday 07 June 21 18:01 BST (UK) »
The details recorded on the NHS app are -
Home page -
Name and date of birth, NHS number

Vaccine record -
Date given, Name of vaccine, Batch number

Covid-19 status for travel -
Name and date of birth
QR code (presumably for officials to scan)
Name of vaccine, Batch number, Country of vaccination, Authority

Margaret
STEER, mainly Surrey, Kent; PINNOCKS/HAINES, Gosport, Hants; BARKER, mainly Broadwater, Sussex; Gosport, Hampshire; LAVERSUCH, Micheldever, Hampshire; WESTALL, London, Reading, Berks; HYDE, Croydon, Surrey; BRIGDEN, Hadlow, Kent and London; TUTHILL/STEPHENS, London
WILKINSON, Leeds, Yorkshire and Liverpool; WILLIAMSON, Liverpool; BEARE, Yeovil, Somerset; ALLEN, Kent and London; GORST, Liverpool; HOYLE, mainly Leeds, Yorkshire

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