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Re: Possible Arabic ? or middle eaastern script on plate in church ....
« Reply #18 on: Monday 05 April 21 23:33 BST (UK) »

Looks like it will forever be 'one of those mysteries' !!
 

In my experience that is typical of the Church of England. Baptism, Marriage and Deaths - they take great pains to record as much as they can. Who donated the tenor bell, why and when? A major event in the life of the Church, that is too much trouble to record. It's all "Old George would have told you, if he hadn't been dead this last 20 years." 

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Re: Possible Arabic ? or middle eaastern script on plate in church ....
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 06 April 21 07:36 BST (UK) »
I'd like to see the inscription on the back
Are you reluctant to name the church

Is everything spelt correctly and does it look like English handwriting .I think an Arabic speaker would have to copy English script as if it was a design without understanding the meaning

Have you concluded that it is from Egypt ! Cairo ware
I could ask my ex flatmate on FB who has returned to Egypt .if it's a unique pattern they could do detective work from that side ..find the engraver who remembers a commission for a church that year
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Re: Possible Arabic ? or middle eaastern script on plate in church ....
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 06 April 21 11:19 BST (UK) »
Is there an archive of parish magazines?  There may be one which mentions a foreign visitor to the parish.
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
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Re: Possible Arabic ? or middle eaastern script on plate in church ....
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 06 April 21 21:54 BST (UK) »
Church of ENGLAND ??    Kiltpin ?     

Church in Wales hereabouts !!     
Dorset/Wilts/Hants: Trowbridge Williams Sturney/Sturmey Prince Foyle/Foil Hoare Vincent Fripp/Frypp Triggle/Trygel Adams Hibige/Hibditch Riggs White Angel Cake 
C'wall/Devon/France/CANADA (Barkerville, B.C.): Pomeroy/Pomerai/Pomroy
Som'set: Clark(e) Fry
Durham: Law(e)
London: Hanham Poplett
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Re: Possible Arabic ? or middle eaastern script on plate in church ....
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 06 April 21 23:24 BST (UK) »
Church of ENGLAND ??    Kiltpin ?     

Church in Wales hereabouts !!   
 

Sorry. Slip of the keyboard - there is an A and a L and a E in both - and I am over here in the Eastern bump in the Highlands of Norfolk - and I'll think of a few more really good excuses in a moment ... 

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Re: Possible Arabic ? or middle eaastern script on plate in church ....
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 14 April 21 22:28 BST (UK) »
I have asked a contact I have who understands Arabic about this plate image.
She has has told me that this is not Arabic but she says it is either Aramaic or Syriac language and that it is for the use of Christians.  She says that Aramaic and Syriac are the very old root languages that developed later into Hebrew and Arabic.
She says as far as she can make out at the 12 o'clock position is 'Men' which translates as 'From'.
At the 4 o'clock position is 'Nali' which translates as 'Bible'.
At the 8 o'clock looks like 'Yalil' but she said she does not know what this means.
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Re: Possible Arabic ? or middle eaastern script on plate in church ....
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 14 April 21 23:04 BST (UK) »
I have asked a contact I have who understands Arabic about this plate image.
She has has told me that this is not Arabic but she says it is either Aramaic or Syriac language and that it is for the use of Christians.  She says that Aramaic and Syriac are the very old root languages that developed later into Hebrew and Arabic.
She says as far as she can make out at the 12 o'clock position is 'Men' which translates as 'From'.
At the 4 o'clock position is 'Nali' which translates as 'Bible'.
At the 8 o'clock looks like 'Yalil' but she said she does not know what this means.

Very interesting; thanks!

I've been to a couple of services at a Coptic church and, IIRC, the hymns and prayers were in three languages, one of which was Coptic, and I can't remember the others. I might not have this exactly right, but it was something like that.
England: Barnett; Beaumont; Christy; George; Holland; Parker; Pope; Salisbury
Scotland: Currie; Curror; Dobson; Muir; Oliver; Pryde; Turnbull; Wilson
Ireland: Carson; Colbert; Coy; Craig; McGlinchey; Riley; Rooney; Trotter; Waters/Watters

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Re: Possible Arabic ? or middle eaastern script on plate in church ....
« Reply #25 on: Monday 19 April 21 20:42 BST (UK) »
Thank you for all the additional information.

I'll add it all to the page about the plate in the church inventory ..... when the church is open post Covid !
Dorset/Wilts/Hants: Trowbridge Williams Sturney/Sturmey Prince Foyle/Foil Hoare Vincent Fripp/Frypp Triggle/Trygel Adams Hibige/Hibditch Riggs White Angel Cake 
C'wall/Devon/France/CANADA (Barkerville, B.C.): Pomeroy/Pomerai/Pomroy
Som'set: Clark(e) Fry
Durham: Law(e)
London: Hanham Poplett
Lancs/Cheshire/CANADA (Kelowna, B.C. & Sask): Stubbs Walmesley

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