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Offline EllieD1432

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Re: My mystery man from St John, New Brunswick
« Reply #9 on: Friday 02 April 21 16:22 BST (UK) »
The newspaper report of his death

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Re: My mystery man from St John, New Brunswick
« Reply #10 on: Friday 02 April 21 16:56 BST (UK) »
It's good to know your starting point.

I'm wondering if this query might have a better chance if it was moved to the DNA board? (I don't actually know, so it's just a thought.)

I've read that, in some places, the designation of a person being "coloured" or "of colour" could indicate that s/he had a mixed racial heritage. Would that have been the case in Frederick's (d. 1894) documentation, I wonder?

If so, given his approximate date of birth, and the date of the marriage bond for the senior Frederick (d. 1914) and Phoebe, it might be a question of which one of them was his parent.

It seems a bit odd that he didn't list the senior Frederick and Phoebe as his parents on his naval records, if Phoebe was his mother and Frederick was his step-father (for example). Hopefully the marriage record will be informative.

I can see him listing his grandparents as his parents if that's who raised him, but if they were dead before he was born, that seems odd.

Are the ThruLines saying that you are genetically related to Frederick Danville (d. 1914) and his wife Phoebe?

Do you have obits for the senior Frederick (d. 1914) and Phoebe? If so, are their children listed?

Have you found obits for the three known children of the senior Frederick and Phoebe, in case their siblings are listed?

I'm just trying to think of other sources that might list relationships.
England: Barnett; Beaumont; Christy; George; Holland; Parker; Pope; Salisbury
Scotland: Currie; Curror; Dobson; Muir; Oliver; Pryde; Turnbull; Wilson
Ireland: Carson; Colbert; Coy; Craig; McGlinchey; Riley; Rooney; Trotter; Waters/Watters

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Re: My mystery man from St John, New Brunswick
« Reply #11 on: Friday 02 April 21 17:21 BST (UK) »
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His death, as reported in an English newspaper in 1894, states that he was a black man.

The only reports I could find say that he was coloured, not black.
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Re: My mystery man from St John, New Brunswick
« Reply #12 on: Friday 02 April 21 17:25 BST (UK) »
'Are the ThruLines saying that you are genetically related to Frederick Danville (d. 1914) and his wife Phoebe?'

Yes they are, which makes this even more confusing. I think in this instance he may be of mixed race, but I can find nobody in the preceding generations that may also be mixed race.

'Do you have obits for the senior Frederick (d. 1914) and Phoebe? If so, are their children listed?'

I can't find any obituaries, not sure where to look tbh. I only have British newspapers access and Ancestry collections but can't find anything


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Re: My mystery man from St John, New Brunswick
« Reply #13 on: Friday 02 April 21 17:30 BST (UK) »
Just to add to the confusion, I see that Frederick was George Frederick in both the 1881 census and the 1881 marriage.
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Re: My mystery man from St John, New Brunswick
« Reply #14 on: Friday 02 April 21 17:33 BST (UK) »
Just to add to the confusion, I see that Frederick was George Frederick in both the 1881 census and the 1881 marriage.

Yes, and then Frederick on his maritime records and death details ( ::)

Ny Grandfather is Frederick Thomas, and my Father is Brian Frederick....no imagination eh?  ;D

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Re: My mystery man from St John, New Brunswick
« Reply #15 on: Friday 02 April 21 18:10 BST (UK) »
'Do you have obits for the senior Frederick (d. 1914) and Phoebe? If so, are their children listed?'

I can't find any obituaries, not sure where to look tbh. I only have British newspapers access and Ancestry collections but can't find anything

When and where did the senior Frederick and Phoebe die?

England: Barnett; Beaumont; Christy; George; Holland; Parker; Pope; Salisbury
Scotland: Currie; Curror; Dobson; Muir; Oliver; Pryde; Turnbull; Wilson
Ireland: Carson; Colbert; Coy; Craig; McGlinchey; Riley; Rooney; Trotter; Waters/Watters

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Re: My mystery man from St John, New Brunswick
« Reply #16 on: Friday 02 April 21 18:14 BST (UK) »
Gravestone for both Frederick and Phoebe

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Re: My mystery man from St John, New Brunswick
« Reply #17 on: Friday 02 April 21 18:43 BST (UK) »
Do you know if he (Frederick senior) was the same Frederick E. Danville whose wife Rebecca died in 1861, per the following from the Daniel F. Johnson collection on the Provincial Archives of New Brunswick (PANB) website?

New Brunswick Courier (Saint John), Sept. 28, 1861
"d. Indian Town (St. John), Wednesday 25th inst., Rebecca E. DANVILLE w/o Frederick E. DANVILLE and d/o Thomas GOLDING of Long Island (Queens Co.), MN: Funeral Saturday 11 o'clock"

England: Barnett; Beaumont; Christy; George; Holland; Parker; Pope; Salisbury
Scotland: Currie; Curror; Dobson; Muir; Oliver; Pryde; Turnbull; Wilson
Ireland: Carson; Colbert; Coy; Craig; McGlinchey; Riley; Rooney; Trotter; Waters/Watters