Moses (Joseph)Myers born Amsterdam and Sarah born London

[KGarrad]

The link given above won't work as it should be WieWasWie.
Here's a link to the English version of the the webpage:
https://www.wiewaswie.nl/en/

Het spijt me!

Now corrected.

[louisa maud]

Thank you for your replies, am following them up but no joy on the sites given, the family tree shows he is buried in West Ham I think

Louisa Maud

[JustinL]

The burial database of the United Synagogue includes his burial, but not that of Sarah, unless 1876 is wrong.

See here https://www.theus.org.uk/category/find-grave

[JustinL]

The Hebrew records of London's New Synagogue (founded in 1760!!!) include the following marriage in 1813:

Moshe son of Asher Potiboich(?) and Sara-Chaya daughter of Shmuel ha-Kohn

The meaning/significance of Potiboich is not understood. It has simply been transliterated/romanised from the original record.

This matches the information in phyman's family tree on ancestry. Indeed, it may have been the source. It is therefore all the more important to establish Moses' and Sara's full Hebrew names either from the gravestones (if they still exist) or from the burial register.

[louisa maud]

Oh that is a good find, thank you, her surname was Cohen shown on Ancestry but as we know their names change, Kohn  is near enough that marriage date would be about right according to birth dates on 1841

One of his daughters "married out" and that is the line I am following

I believe Moses (Joseph) died after 1861 as he is listed with his wife Sarah and  daughter Eva on 1861 but not on 1871 , she is a widow by then

To back track, Moses  daughter Elizabeth married Thomas Wallace in St Johns Waterloo 1848, he is shown as Moses occupation tailor, Elizabeth married as a widow in 1866 to Richard Robinson her father is shown as Joseph Myers a tailor, so this is why I believe he used both christian names, at the moment I don't have much of a clue as to who the witnesses were but if she "married out" then perhaps they were friends

Thank you

Louisa Maud

[JustinL]

The marriage record was in Hebrew. Ha-Kohn (הכהן) is the Jewish title meaning "the priest", it was not a surname, but Samuel clearly adopted the anglicised form Cohen.

The United Synagogue Burial Office has informed me that there are no surviving burial registers for the West Ham cemetery. That's a bit of a blow. I have one other contact at the US who has taken photos of gravestones for me in the past. I'll ask him if he'll be visiting the cemetery anytime soon.

Or do you happen to live nearby?

If you have an ancestry subscription, you could contact the owner of the family tree which shows that Moses was the son of Asher (see http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qiq/) and ask about the source.

It's strange that Elizabeth's father was recorded as Joseph on her second marriage certificate. For the marriages of her siblings (Isaac Michael (1841), Eve (1861)and Catherine (1848)), the father was consistently recorded as Moses. Moreover, when Elizabeth was finally baptised as an adult on 4th Apr 1869, she said her parents were Moses and Sarah (see http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qir/).

I would speculate that the entry on the 1866 cert is a simple mistake that Elizabeth was unaware of as she was presumably illiterate, i.e. she couldn't sign her name.

Moses died on 22 Dec 1863 and was buried in the West Ham cemetery on the 24th.

Justin

[louisa maud]

I can't remember where but somewhere I have seen Moses Myers KA Joseph but I did not write it down,

Thank you Justin, while I  live in Essex I am not near enough to visit

Huge thank you for info

LM

[louisa maud]

Thank you for help received and now a calling this " completed "

Louisa Maud

[joannie59]

Moses Myers was born as Mozes Asser Myers Nikkelsburg   in 1787 in Amsterdam, son of Asser / Marcus Meyer Nikkelsburg, so when he came to England he took the surname Myers.

Moses Myers is definately buried in West Ham Jewish Cemetary as is his son Isaac Michael Myers and Michael's wife Caroline nee Aaron,  I believe the cemetary has an open weekend for the public once a year or so.   My sister found all the graves except for Moses that was in an area that was overgrown with plants etc.

Moses Myers's daughter Elizabeth is of interest to me too;    I have been trying to find information about Elizabeth's husband T. Wallace but to no avail, only the marriage cert in 1848