Frank French

[Vixen999]

Hi everyone, Im a little stuck with a friends family tree with two people.  Any help anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated.

Frank French was born Oct 1858, Lewes, sussex.  It appears I can only find information of his potential mother  Ann French.  I do know from information from the friend, he was born brighton/lewes but thats as much as she knew.  His mmn is not on his birth registration.  Frank married a Frances Emily Turner who is another enigma Im struggling to work out.  Frank had 9 children that I can find, one of whom is Winifred Emily French who is the great grandmother of the person Im doing the tree for.  Her mothers mmn is turner.  Frank French does not have a middle name on his birth record.  However a Frances Emily Turner married a frank francis french 1906, eastbourne.  I do know many of the relatives around this time of the person Im doing the tree for came from Eastbourne, or surrounding towns.  I cant find a birth record of a frank francis french.  However, I did find two birth records for a Frederick French, one born eastbourne 1856, one born brighton 1857.  On the 1911 census, frank claims to have been born Brighton but his birth year changes from 1858 to 1963. Lewes is close to brighton.  But there is also a Frederick French born brighton. 

Im slightly confused with the marriage record being for a Frank Francis French to a Francis Emily Turner and now am wondering if Ann was franks mother.  If she was, Ann French was born to a James French and Margaret Vaughan.  And again struggling for information on those parents.

Francis Emily Turner is also confusing me.  She claims on the 1911 census to be from Selmeston, Sussex born 1871/2 and is down as Emily.    On the 1911 census Winifred Emily French is listed.  So I know Frank and Francis Emily are the correct parents for winifred.  There is an 1891 census which has a Francis Turner born selmeston.  I cant find a birth record.  Also the only birth record I can find for a francis emily turner, doesnt come from Selmeston but from Dorset.    Any help working emily out would be appreciated including potential parents or siblings please.

Thanks all, hope this hasnt confused you too much

[Milliepede]

Frank married a Frances Emily Turner

Does he name a father on the marriage? 

[Vixen999]

No bans found, only a marriage registration. 

Frank married a Frances Emily Turner

Does he name a father on the marriage?

[Milliepede]

1861 has

Ann French 42 pauper born Lewes
Frank French 3 pauper born Lewes

Frank born 14 Oct 1858

However a Frances Emily Turner married a frank francis french 1906, eastbourne.

If you look at the 1911 census for Frank father of Winifred Emily it gives the number of years married.

[Milliepede]

I wonder if the oldest daughter Louisa May is

Louisa May Turner born Jun 1899 Eastbourne

Have you got the 1901 census for Frank or Emily?  Not finding Louisa at present.

[Vixen999]

I dont know for sure if Ann is his mother.  There are two birth entries for eastbourne and brighton under the name of Frederick French and Im wondering if any of these records could be frank. Also the marriage record lists a frank francis french but there is no birth registration under this name that I can find.   

1861 has

Ann French 42 pauper born Lewes
Frank French 3 pauper born Lewes

Frank born 14 Oct 1858

However a Frances Emily Turner married a frank francis french 1906, eastbourne.

If you look at the 1911 census for Frank father of Winifred Emily it gives the number of years married.

[Vixen999]

Says they are married 12yrs which doesnt fit with the marriage registration of 1906 so thats another mystery

1861 has

Ann French 42 pauper born Lewes
Frank French 3 pauper born Lewes

Frank born 14 Oct 1858

However a Frances Emily Turner married a frank francis french 1906, eastbourne.

If you look at the 1911 census for Frank father of Winifred Emily it gives the number of years married.

[Vixen999]

I found all the other childrens birth registrations apart from Louisa's but there is this entry...am wondering if she changed her name

Name Gladys May French
Registration Year 1898 Registration QuarterOct-Nov-Dec
Registration district Eastbourne
Inferred County Sussex Volume 2b Page70

I wonder if the oldest daughter Louisa May is

Louisa May Turner born Jun 1899 Eastbourne

Have you got the 1901 census for Frank or Emily?  Not finding Louisa at present.

[Vixen999]

No only found 1911

I found all the other childrens birth registrations apart from Louisa's but there is this entry...am wondering if she changed her name

Name Gladys May French
Registration Year 1898 Registration QuarterOct-Nov-Dec
Registration district Eastbourne
Inferred County Sussex Volume 2b Page70

I wonder if the oldest daughter Louisa May is

Louisa May Turner born Jun 1899 Eastbourne

Have you got the 1901 census for Frank or Emily?  Not finding Louisa at present.