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Re: Frank French
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 07 April 21 22:50 BST (UK) »
They could have already had some children before getting married and changed the number of years married to fit (although it doesn't quite fit the oldest child)

Gladys May has mothers name Freeman

I do think the Turner registration is more likely but where was she in 1901  :-\
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Re: Frank French
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 07 April 21 22:58 BST (UK) »
Winifred should be on 1901 as well but can't find her either  :-\
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Re: Frank French
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 07 April 21 23:02 BST (UK) »
Birth
Frank French
Dec 1858
Lewes
mmn French (on FindMyPast but not on GRO)

Baptism
Frank French
2nd January 1859
Lewes
mother Ann French


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Re: Frank French
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 07 April 21 23:05 BST (UK) »
As winifred was registered in Eastbourne, I would have assumed they could be found on the 1901 census.  These are some of the birth registrations which I know are correct. 

FRENCH, DOROTHY  AMY ETHEL    TURNER 
GRO Reference: 1906  D Quarter in EASTBOURNE  Volume 02B  Page 59

FRENCH, FLORENCE  ROSA ELLEN    TURNER 
GRO Reference: 1904  D Quarter in EASTBOURNE  Volume 02B  Page 59

FRENCH, WINIFRED  EMILY     TURNER 
GRO Reference: 1900  D Quarter in EASTBOURNE  Volume 02B  Page 55

FRENCH, FRANK  ARTHUR HENRY    TURNER 
GRO Reference: 1902  M Quarter in EASTBOURNE  Volume 02B  Page 70

Doris Alice French
Registration Year 1909
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district Eastbourne
Inferred CountySussex Volume 2b Page68

FRENCH, LILIAN  GLADYS IVY    TURNER 
GRO Reference: 1908  J Quarter in EASTBOURNE  Volume 02B  Page 71

Beatrice I P French
Mother's Maiden Name Turner
Registration Year 1915
Registration QuarterJan-Feb-Mar
Registration district Eastbourne
Inferred County Sussex Volume 2b Page125

William R T French
Registration DateOct 1917
Registration QuarterOct-Nov-Dec
Registration districtEastbourne
Inferred County East Sussex
Mother's Maiden Name Turner Volume Number 2b Page number105

They could have already had some children before getting married and changed the number of years married to fit (although it doesn't quite fit the oldest child)

Gladys May has mothers name Freeman

I do think the Turner registration is more likely but where was she in 1901  :-\

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Re: Frank French
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 07 April 21 23:10 BST (UK) »
Thanks for this, this is what I had initially but because of Francis Emily Turner marrying a Frank Francis French, its thrown me and also the lack of records for both these people. I cant find any census's apart from 1911 for emily and frank.  The marriage record states 1906 they were married but the children were born some of them before then.  Also the 1911 census states they were married 12yrs but only married for 6 if married in 1906

Birth
Frank French
Dec 1858
Lewes
mmn French (on FindMyPast but not on GRO)

Baptism
Frank French
2nd January 1859
Lewes
mother Ann French

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Re: Frank French
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 07 April 21 23:11 BST (UK) »
Interestingly the children were born before they were married if the marriage registration for
Frank Francis French and Frances Emily Turner is correct. 

As winifred was registered in Eastbourne, I would have assumed they could be found on the 1901 census.  These are some of the birth registrations which I know are correct. 

FRENCH, DOROTHY  AMY ETHEL    TURNER 
GRO Reference: 1906  D Quarter in EASTBOURNE  Volume 02B  Page 59

FRENCH, FLORENCE  ROSA ELLEN    TURNER 
GRO Reference: 1904  D Quarter in EASTBOURNE  Volume 02B  Page 59

FRENCH, WINIFRED  EMILY     TURNER 
GRO Reference: 1900  D Quarter in EASTBOURNE  Volume 02B  Page 55

FRENCH, FRANK  ARTHUR HENRY    TURNER 
GRO Reference: 1902  M Quarter in EASTBOURNE  Volume 02B  Page 70

FRENCH, DOROTHY  AMY ETHEL    TURNER 
GRO Reference: 1906  D Quarter in EASTBOURNE  Volume 02B  Page 59

FRENCH, LILIAN  GLADYS IVY    TURNER 
GRO Reference: 1908  J Quarter in EASTBOURNE  Volume 02B  Page 71



They could have already had some children before getting married and changed the number of years married to fit (although it doesn't quite fit the oldest child)

Gladys May has mothers name Freeman

I do think the Turner registration is more likely but where was she in 1901  :-\

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Re: Frank French
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 08 April 21 00:09 BST (UK) »
Not having much luck finding them on 1901 either ???

1922 Immigration Louie May French 23 nearest relative Aunt Mrs Turner, Eastbourne
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JNJX-HZ7

Miss Louise May French
Residence Place:   1208 Watchung Ave Nue , This City
Marriage Date:   Abt 1924
Father:   Frank French
Mother:   French
Spouse:   William Gallo (Mair)
U.S., Newspapers.com Marriage Index, 1800s-1999

Louise M Mair Age:   84
Death Date:   29 Aug 1982
Death Place:   Plainfield, Union, New Jersey, USA

William G. Mair Age:   72
Residence Place:   Scotch Plains
Death Date:   1969
Death Place:   1141 Raritan Road
Burial Place:   Plainfield
Obituary Date:   6 Nov 1969
Obituary Place:   Bridgewater, New Jersey, United States of America
Spouse:   Louise French Mair
U.S., Newspapers.com Obituary Index, 1800s-current

US census Louise Mair
1930 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4N4-XC4 - cousin Reginald Turner
1940 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4YD-43D

1931 Immigration Louise May Mair
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24NZ-7DV

Edit to add

Louiseís cousin Reginald Turner with wife Margery and their children on 1940 US census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4YW-7L5

Reginald Turnerís death 1994, born 21 April 1904
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4YW-7L5

Possible birth entry / parents marriage entry

Reginald TURNER  mmn HENTY 
1904  J Quarter in EASTBOURNE  Volume 02B  Page 72

Dec 1896   Eastbourne    2b   148   
Names on same page
Henty    Kate       
Turner    William       

1901 census Piece:   884 Folio:   18 Page Number:   27
William Turner   36 Selmeston, Sussex, bricklayer
Kate Turner   28
Alice R Turner   4 (middle name Rosa mmn Henly)
Harry Turner   2 (mmn Henty)

Could this be William with sister Fanny Turner

1881 Piece:   1072 Folio:   57 Page Number:   7
Henry Turner   60
Phebe Turner   66
William Turner   15 Selmeston, Sussex
Jane Turner   13
Fanny Turner   6 Selmeston, Sussex

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William TURNER mmn GUY
1865  J Quarter in LEWES  Volume 02B  Page 162   

Fanny TURNER mmn   GUY 
1873  J Quarter in LEWES  Volume 02B  Page 161

Fanny Turner
Christening 22 Jun 1873 Selmeston, Sussex
Father:   Henry Turner Mother:   Phoebe

William & Kate Turnerís address 19 Bexhill Rd Eastbourne
on Louise May Frenchís 1922 immigration record nearest relative 
Aunt Mrs Turner address 19 Bushill Road Eastbourne


















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Re: Frank French
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 08 April 21 04:18 BST (UK) »
Frank married as Frank Francis French but his death reg'd as Francis Frank French - from only census you've found him on (1911) his birthplace given as Brighton and  aged at death 69 in Mar.qtr.1927 indicates a birth in 1857/8.

I do not believe that he is the Frank born Lewes 1858, illeg. son of Ann.

I believe 'your' man is the Francis French bp.12/7/1857 Brighton, son of Henry and Mary (birth regn. gives mmn as Weller).    On 1861 census he is listed as Francis, in 1871 with married sister 'Bett' (birth reg'd as Betsy, 1861 census as Elizabeth and married as Bet) and her husband Richard Goldsmith (married 1870) in Eastbourne as Frank and both census give birthplace as Brighton as in 1911. 

Henry French died in 1864 Brighton and by 1871 his widow Mary is a housekeeper to a Benjamin Goldsmith in Eastbourne.   Their youngest child - Henry T. bc.1860 - on 1861 census would appear to be an illeg. grandson rather than son (born as Thomas Henry Dec.1859).   In 1871 is with his now married mother 'Nancy' and her husband James Packham (married Jun.1861 Brighton, her full name being Ann Elizabeth French).   By 1881 this young man is back to being Henry again and is in Eastbourne with a Harry Goldsmith.

Be he Francis or Frank I cannot find him in 1881, 1891 or 1901.  Certainly, 1861 and 1871 agree with 1911 that he was born in Brighton (not Lewes).

Frank's wife married as Frances Emily Turner and in 1911, as you already know, she is 'Emily' bc.1872 Selmeston, Sussex.  There were only 2 Turner families in Selmeston at the relevant time and I believe that she was reg'd as Fanny Turner in Jun.1873 Lewes, mmn Guy.  Parents being Henry Turner and Phebe Guy married Dec.1862 Lewes.  Phebe shown 66 in 1881 which is an error - think it was supposed to be 46 - various census and death entry (1890) suggest born mid 1830's in Chiddingly.

However, whilst I believe the above is correct you really need to get details of the 1906 marriage of Frank to confirm their respective fathers names.

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Re: Frank French
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 08 April 21 08:06 BST (UK) »

Louise M Mair Age:   84
Death 29 Aug 1982
Death Place:   Plainfield, Union, New Jersey, USA


Death of Louise Mair 1982 New Jersey gives her dob 26th February 1898
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JRQY-8WR

Not found her birth entry March qtr. 1898

same as millipede posted this is the only entry Eastbourne Louisa May but not right surname/qtr or year  :-\
mother's maiden name left blank

TURNER, LOUISA  MAY     - 
1899  J Quarter in EASTBOURNE  Volume 02B  Page 62

1931 Naturalization May Louise Mair
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6C1P-N8KS