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Re: Finding arrival of Jurgen Heinrich (Harry) Burmeister between 1835 and 1875
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 14 April 21 02:29 BST (UK) »
What a can of worms! ...... . It would not surprise me if he emigrated as Heinrich rather than Jurgen. He called himself Henry and Harry in Australia.

Yes, Neale's summary is spot on.   
May I mention that just a quick look at births as INDEXED at NSW BDM online, for your couple, I can clearly see that he was not just Henry and Harry but he did use his full name.   :)

Here's seven N.S. Wales births  :), remembering that NSW BDM online index originates from a volunteer project in the 1930s… Volunteers reading well worn pages, longhand scribble, ink bleeds, torn corners etc and doing so under natural light only to provide NSW BDM with an INDEX for the first time...

So for BIRTHS for this family, the online index gives Agnes and/or Agnes A as mum’s name, and variations on Harry’s given names.

1878, reg’d Albury, #7623, Caroline, Dad as Turgen H BURMEISTER, Mum as Agnes A
1880, reg’d Albury, #8399, Frederick W, Dad as Henry BURMEISTER, Mum as Agnes A
1881, reg’d Albury #9265, Alice, Dad as Henry BURMEISTER, Mum as Agnes
1884, reg’d Albury, #12197, Ernest N, Dad as Turgen H BURMEISTER, Mum as Agnes A
1885, reg’d Albury, #12649, Samuel A, Dad as Henry BURMIESTER, Mum as Agnes A
1887, reg’d Corowa, #13940, William J, Dad as Jargan H BURMIESTER, Mum as Agnes A
1889, reg’d Corowa #13802,  Agnes A,  Dad as Jurgen H BURMEISTER, Mum as Agnes A
1892, reg’d Corowa, #11707, Emily B,  Dad as Jurgen H BURMEISTER, Mum as Agnes A
So Emily's b.c. should list her details, her parents details and details too for her older siblings. 

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Re: Finding arrival of Jurgen Heinrich (Harry) Burmeister between 1835 and 1875
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 14 April 21 03:05 BST (UK) »
I'll think about the Emily b.c. But we are mainly interested in Samuel and his parents -- and two of Samuel's daughters, Myrtle and Edith, since Edith raised one of Myrtle's daughters. Working backwards, I now have Harry's death cert on the way. We know Harry's wife, mother and two brothers were described as Irish on the passenger list when they arrived in Melbourne in 1857. What would be really helpful is the marriage cert for Harry and Agnes, because it might confirm where Harry and Agnes were born, but we can't even confirm that the ceremony took place in 1875 at Alexandra Vic, as has been suggested.

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Re: Finding arrival of Jurgen Heinrich (Harry) Burmeister between 1835 and 1875
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 14 April 21 03:20 BST (UK) »
I noticed this marriage in VIC in 1866.

Gurgon Heinrich BURMEISTER from Germany
to Elizabeth NOWLAN from Cumberland
Reg Number: 2230

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Re: Finding arrival of Jurgen Heinrich (Harry) Burmeister between 1835 and 1875
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 14 April 21 03:31 BST (UK) »
That's interesting. I couldn't see a death for Elizabeth BURM* though.

How do you get the Germany and Cumberland from Vic BDM?


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Re: Finding arrival of Jurgen Heinrich (Harry) Burmeister between 1835 and 1875
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 14 April 21 03:33 BST (UK) »
Yes, so on the NSW BDM birth registration, (as noted by me from my collection of bdm certs/official transcriptions), the informant provides the family history responses to the following about the Parents of the Child:

Father : 
Surname, Other names
Occupation
Age
Place of Birth

Mother :
Surname
Maiden surname
Other Names
Age
Place of Birth

Date of marriage (day, month, year)
Place of Marriage (locality and/or village/town/suburb and Colony)


Previous Children of the Marriage (JM notes these are listed chronologically, given names and age)

https://www.nsw.gov.au/topics/family-history-search/family-history-research-guide  and perhaps scroll through this too : https://www.nsw.gov.au/topics/family-history-search/ancestry-research#Ancestry-research-help


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Re: Finding arrival of Jurgen Heinrich (Harry) Burmeister between 1835 and 1875
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 14 April 21 03:37 BST (UK) »
If Harry and Elizabeth split up and he took up with Agnes in a common-law marriage, that might explain why we haven't been able to find that marriage.

I'll get the Emily b.c.

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Re: Finding arrival of Jurgen Heinrich (Harry) Burmeister between 1835 and 1875
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 14 April 21 03:43 BST (UK) »
That's interesting. I couldn't see a death for Elizabeth BURM* though.

How do you get the Germany and Cumberland from Vic BDM?

Hi Geoff

I have cds with bmds that have different search fields.

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Re: Finding arrival of Jurgen Heinrich (Harry) Burmeister between 1835 and 1875
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 14 April 21 03:50 BST (UK) »
1877, City of Collingwood Victoria, Rate Books

L Charles Street
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BURMEISTER, Henry, Cabinet Maker,  Wood house,   

......

JM   ADD ... found a date .... that's 4 April 1877.   :)
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Re: Finding arrival of Jurgen Heinrich (Harry) Burmeister between 1835 and 1875
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 14 April 21 04:06 BST (UK) »
I will steal that thanks, Essie.
You would have to think the Collingwood guy is Heinrich the cabinetmaker who arrived in Melbourne in 1858. I guess the question is: Is he the same man who married Elizabeth Nowlan and then had a handful of kids with Agnes Amelia Patterson? Or were there two (Jurgen) Heinrich Burmeisters? Is the cabinetmaker not part of our story?