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Robert Dodds Scott and wife.2
« on: Tuesday 20 April 21 18:31 BST (UK) »
Is there anyone out there will a knowledge of historical fashion who could give me an opinion as to the approximate dates of the attached photos.

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« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 20 April 21 22:10 BST (UK) »
Mrs Dodd looks like 1860s.
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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 20 April 21 22:22 BST (UK) »
That would fit perfectly. Many thanks for your opinion. Any thoughts on Mr Scott?  Is he dressed as an 1860's man?

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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 20 April 21 22:42 BST (UK) »
He could also be 1860s.

I'm dithering between late 1850s -1860s. I hope Jim or Carol will come with their views.

The oval became popular late 1860s-early 1870s so I'm wondering if it was a reprint.
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 21 April 21 11:08 BST (UK) »
1850's reprint.
You can see her wedding ring appears to be on her right hand
so the original was an ambrotype.
Her dress style is also typical of that decade.
The one of him is a bit more difficult so we need to see all of
the cardstock including the back.
Could be 1860's or 70's.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
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« Reply #5 on: Friday 23 April 21 11:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Jim1,

You write, "1850's reprint. You can see her wedding ring appears to be on her right hand so the original was an Ambrotype."

I've been trying to understand the technicalities and your conclusion, but my knowledge in this area isn't up to the job. Google and Wikipedia haven't got me any further, though I now have a vague idea as to what an Ambrotype is. Could you please explain? Many thanks.

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 23 April 21 11:49 BST (UK) »
Hi again Jim1. For the purpose of clarity, the bit I don't understand is how the wedding ring, which presumably was on her left hand, appears on her right hand in the copy.

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 23 April 21 11:59 BST (UK) »
An ambrotype was the photographic process used throughout the 1850's
& into the early 60's.
In 1858 a new process came about which we commonly call a CdeV
which is what you have.
The difference is that an ambrotype is a positive process & the CdeV a negative.
With a positive process the image comes out in reverse so waistcoats look the wrong way
& wedding rings look on the wrong hand.
Ambrotypes were images imposed on glass where the light areas come out light & dark areas
come out dark.
The glass used was the end result.
The CdeV was imposed on glass but the light areas come out dark & dark areas come out light.
The glass negative is then used to transfer the image to a thin sheet of light sensitive paper then
stuck to a card (CdeV).
This made the image come out the right way round.
So when you see a CdeV with the subject the wrong way round you know it's a copy of an ambrotype.
Her general dress/hair style is also typical of the 1850's.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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« Reply #8 on: Friday 23 April 21 12:15 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Jim1. I'm getting there slowly. With the Ambrotype, could you not reverse the image by viewing it from the reverse direction.I understand that it's an image on a glass plate with a dark backing material to enable viewing, or have I got that wrong?