JOHN CECIL - CONVICT OF TIDENHAM TO NEW SOUTH WALES 1821

[JACK GEE]

Looking for descendants of John Cecil, formerly of Tidenham, Forest of Dean , Gloucestershire. He was convicted for stealing wood and was sentenced to 7 years and was transported to Sydney, NSW on the Hulk Adamant in 1821. He was assigned to Mr. O'Brien of Richmond [NSW] in 1822 and recieved his Certificate of Freedon in 1828.

CHEERS
JACK GEE

[shume]

Sorry, this is not much help but I can't find anything about him post Cert of Freedom in 1828. No marriage or death in NSW QLD or VIC. No mention in the newspapers (www.trove.nla.gov.au), nothing on Ancestry.com.au. It was very unusual for freed convicts to return to England as I believe Freedom only implied in Australia and anyway there was a cost involved. Perhaps he changed his name ( not unusual)
Maybe someone else in Aus will find something for you.
Just a minor point, hulks were unseaworthy vessels permanently moored in England to house convicts as the jails were full, prior to their transportation.
shume   australia

[JACK GEE]

Thanks Shume for taking the time. I realised the Hulk situation a little after i made the post.
Cheers
Jack

[JACK GEE]

Update - There is a chance that our John Cecil has changed his name or had it changed for him to John Cail [or maybe Cahill]. This does not apply to his original life in Tidenham but his life in New South Wales west of Sydney. I still have the same issue lack of detail.

cheers Jack Gee

[majm]

Update - There is a chance that our John Cecil has changed his name or had it changed for him to John Cail [or maybe Cahill]. This does not apply to his original life in Tidenham but his life in New South Wales west of Sydney. I still have the same issue lack of detail.

cheers Jack Gee

West of Sydney ...  by 1820s,  thats a huge area ... over the Mountains,  Wellington penal settlement,  Bathurst,  the Macquarie river, John Oxley exploring down the Lachlan too ....  so a question, if I may ....

What gives you hope that John CECIL  became known, in NSW, as CAHILL or other variations ....

I am NSW centric, particularly western NSW,  particularly 1813 to 1851. 

JM

[emilypos]

Hello Jack
The Adamant wasnt a hulk 
Details for the ship Adamant (1821)
Ship Name:   Adamant   
Rig Type:   S.
Built:   Blythe
Build Year:   1811
Size (tons):   427
 
Voyage Details
Master:   William Ebsworthy
Surgeon:   James Hamilton
Sailed:   29 March 1821
From:   England
Arrived:   8 September 1821
Port:   PJ
Route:   
Days Travel:   163
Convicts Landed:   142 males & 0 female convicts
Notes:
I think from memory its Capt got into a little trouble of putting his passengers on short rations and selling  the surplus in Sydney No ones claimed this fellow ( Claim a Convict web site)  Do you know his mothers maiden name  ? Might hsve added it or similar to his name  ? Was he married in UK ? He was 34 yo in 1821
Bye

Emilypos

[JACK GEE]

Hello Emilypos and MJM.
Firstly John Cecil was a single man in Tidenham before he took to stealing wood and got transported to NSW. His father was William Cecil who married 1788 to Rachel Jones.

One of my other resaerchers found the 1825 Convict General Muster index with a John Cail on was an alphabetical handwritten list so it was compiled from numerous other lists from the different districts of the colony. But the Cail names was not on the Ship Adanant.
Cecil/Cail obtained depasturing Licences in NSW 1837 - Belwyn River [4 miles south of the junction of Boorowra River and the Lachlan River], 1838 - Yass, 1839 & 1840 - Lachlan. These Licences were handed back.
Only one Cecil in all of the cemeteries around Cowra. No Cail's [spelling] that i could find.

It would appear that Mr.Cecil/Cail left a small impribt in the area west of Sydney.

Cheers
Jack Gee

[emilypos]

This may help


"ADAMANT". Convict transport

1821 Mar 9

Navy Office to Governor re conveyance to Madras of escort detachments of 34th and 46th Regiments (Reel 6028; 4/1095.1 pp.110-1)

1821 Mar 24

List of stores shipped on board for use of convicts and passengers (Reel 6022; 4/7015.3 pp.129-32)

1821 Sep 11

Surgeon Superintendent to deliver bedding from (Reel 6008; 4/3504 p.364)

1821 Sep 12

Re convicts to be forwarded from (Reel 6008; 4/3504 p.367)

1821 Sep 12

List of 85 male convicts disembarked from and forwarded to Parramatta and Windsor for distribution (Reel 6008; 4/3504 pp.368-9)

1821 Sep 22

A quantity of sulphuric acid from returned to the Sydney Hospital by its surgeon (Reel 6055; 4/1761 p.21)

1821 Oct 17-20

Proceedings of case brought by steward against the Captain of selling goods shipped as Government Stores (Reel 6051; 4/1749 pp.86-99)

"ADAMANT", Master of see EBSWORTHY, William; ELDER, William

"ADAMANT", Surgeon on see HAMILTON, James



Taken from NSW Archives Colonial secretaries Correspondence files

Seems a bit odd for a single name in his early 30s to steal wood . Is it known what sort of wood ? What is your connection to this bloke ?

Bye

Emilypos

[JACK GEE]

Hi Emily,
i am a member of the William Cecil - Lord Bughley FTDNA Project. My DNA is aligned with the Cecils. Being the only active Aussie i get to dig around for possible connections to Burghley. Basically to try an find living relatives for possible tests. This John Cecil/Cail has left a very small footprint so it is a good chance that he lies in a patch of dirt somewhere west of Sydney.

Our DNA pool is based on the shires of Hereford, Gloucester, Brecon and Monmouth. Tidenham is in the Forest of Dean and thus in our target area.

Cheers
Jack Gee