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Help devices party of a will
« on: Sunday 25 April 21 10:36 BST (UK) »
Hello

I am hoping that someone that is used to trying to decifer Historic Wills might be able to translate a couple of words for me from the attached.

I have been trying for months to identify a male called Richard Williams who I know is the nephew of Maria and William Williams.

Last week I located Maria Williams will. Whereas this clearly gives information. I cannot work out what two of the important words are. I am hoping that someone who is used to looking at this type of things might have an idea.

I have attached the whole Will as I know this can help and a snippet showing the relevant area. However I only need to translate the two lines that relate to Richard Williams in Full.

The line reads something like (I cannot read the words where is is marked xxxxxxx below)

To the widow of my late nephew Richard Williams xxxx of Kingston (I think!) in xxxxxxxxx the sum of ten pounds.

I am suspicious that understanding this line properly would help greatly is working out who he is.

Many thanks to anyone who thinks they can help.


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Re: Help devices party of a will
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 25 April 21 11:13 BST (UK) »
I think

To the widow of my late nephew Richard Williams M.D.of Kingston in
America the sum of ten pounds.

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Re: Help devices party of a will
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 25 April 21 16:15 BST (UK) »
I agree with Mckha's transcript.

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Re: Help devices party of a will
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 08 May 21 12:47 BST (UK) »
Sorry it has taken a little while to reply. I have had to change my p.

Thank you everyone who replied.

I agree with the MD element. It also does look a little like America as well.

Frustratingly I still cannot identify the make named in the will.

Cheers


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Re: Help devices party of a will
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 08 May 21 15:34 BST (UK) »
What is the date of that will? 
Can you give us a little more background?  Dates and Locations for Maria and William etc

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Re: Help devices party of a will
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 08 May 21 16:51 BST (UK) »
The date of the will is 1852, so given as Richard is called 'Late' he has died before this time.

Maria Pytches 1778 Gazeley, Suffolk. Daughter of John and Mary. Married William Henry Williams, 1799 Alderton, Suffolk. William Henry Williams was of Ipswich, as a Physician. She dies 1852 Holbrook, Suffolk.
Dr William Henry Williams M.D, has a will dated 1841 Ipswich, Suffollk, where he mentions his nephew Richard Williams M.D.

William Henry Williams bapt 1771 Dursley, Gloucestershire. son of Richard and Alice.

There was a Richard Williams bapt 1801 Dursley, Gloucestershire, son of Richard and Elizabeth.
Richard Dudley of Cosby. Gent
George Bent of Cosby. Gent
William Black of Kilby. Gent
Bernard Cotton of Dadlington. Esq
Sir Thomas Halford of Wistow. Bart
Richard Swynfen of Sutton Cheney. Gent
John Cotes of Aylestone. Gent
John Freeston of East Norton. Gent
Sir John Bernard of Abington.
Edward Shuckburgh of Naseby. Esq
Richard Worsley of Deeping. Esq
Thomas Hobson of Glen. Gent
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Re: Help devices party of a will
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 08 May 21 16:55 BST (UK) »
Hello

Thank you very much.

Yes I can give a fair amount more information in relation to the Will and the Family which might help. I have literally spent days on this.

I believe due to the Wills that Richard Williams MD is the nephew of William Henry Williams (1771 - 1841) and Maria Williams (Maiden Name Pytches, 1770 - 1852)

I have now found the Wills for both Maria Pytches and William Henry Williams.
Maria Pytches Will was proved on 21st September 1852.
William Henry Williams Will was proved on 23 September 1841.

Maria Pytches is from Suffolk, England.
William Williams is from Dursley in Gloucestershire.

Following getting married both lived in Suffolk and both are buried in this county as well. William and Maria had no children of there own.

Nephew Richard Williams is mentioned in both Wills. It would appear that he was alive at the time that William Williams will was written however had died by the point that Maria Williams had written hers.

In relation to Genealogy. Due to official publications that are available as William Henry Williams was a notable doctor and is for example in Wikipedia. His parents can be established. As such these are

Richard Williams and Alice Hort (I do not have there birth and death dates at the moment. Richard and Alice both lived in the Dursley area and all of the children I can find were born there)

Christening records show that Richard Williams and Alice Hort had 7 Children that I can find, however it is quite possible that I have missed one as some of the ability to search is a bit hit and miss. The children (Brothers and Sisters of William Henry Williams) are:
Thomas Williams (Died 1780)
Samuel Williams (Christened 1764 - I do not have a death date)
Hariot Williams (Christened 1764 - I do not have a death date)
Mary Williams (Christened 1767 - I do not have a death date)
William Henry Williams (1771 - 1841)
Charles Frederick Williams (Christened 1774 - I do not have a death date)
Eliza Ann Williams (Christened 1776 - I do not have a death date)

The only child I can find currently who would be a niece or nephew is that Mary Williams had a daughter called Susanna. I cannot find any children currently that are associated with any of the other names.

It is highly perplexing at the moment. My interest in this person is that I have a portrait of Richard Williams however I have no idea how he is linked tangible to the family. I thought I had a break through with the Will but it has not helped.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated as I am not sure what to do next.

Cheers



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Re: Help devices party of a will
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 08 May 21 22:07 BST (UK) »
Not much help really but
Administration for Richard Williams MD late of Milford in said county  who died intestate
Probate date 5 Nov 1842,   Hillsborough, New Hampshire

Court of probate held at Amherst, NH

It’s on Ancestry.
He had a widow, not named.

Added…but it is Susannah.

A son https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/46422294/john-shepley-williams
And Richard  https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/46422294/john-shepley-williams. Would have been good if they cut back that grass before taking the photograph.


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Re: Help devices party of a will
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 08 May 21 22:19 BST (UK) »
Birth of John.
How annoying a lot of blank lines on the form!

But Susannah named as Susan SHATTUCK

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBGQ-Y4N?i=3224&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AFL5R-K3X


Added.  Also George S. (Or L)   Born 4 Feb 1833.  By 1860 it has become George R
And  James G. 18 Oct 1841. (Seems he is James Gordon)