GRO indexes

[heywood]

I think we are digressing here Jon.
1946 Eulalia, 34 yrs left for Basrah, Iraq with Amy Adamson 59 yrs - last address Grimsby.

[heywood]

It is interesting even though it might be irrelevant.

There are a couple of earlier records for Amy Adamson entering the U.K. - one with a daughter Julie b 1921 (I had thought she might be Eulalia but too young). They are described as ‘Russian’ and residents of Iraq.

[jonw65]

It is certainly interesting, didn't expect Iraq to come up!
Looking at the electoral registers after the war.
1945, Elizabeth Ann Loring still at 175 Sussex Gardens, with, among others, Arthur Lee
1946, Elizabeth A Loring and Arthur E Lee at 21 Cleveland Square, Paddington
1947, Elizabeth A Loring and Arthur E Lee at 6 Spring Street, Paddington (later she is Elisabeth A, and from 1954 it says she and Arthur are in Flat 1)

1958 and 1959, still Flat 1, 6 Spring Street, Elisabeth and Arthur are joined by Louisa R Hill
1960, Elisabeth A Loring and Louisa R Hill at 4 New Cavendish Street, Marylebone (no Arthur)
1961, Arthur E Lee is back with them there!
1962, Now joined at 4 New Cavendish by Gertrude Hill
1964, 1965, Only the three ladies, no Arthur

Death possibility?
June 1963 Marylebone 5d 267
Lee, Arthur E.
age 66

[heywood]

So now the Hill name appears 

Regarding Eulalia, I think she was employed so perhaps not a major figure in finding Minnie and Elizabeth’s origins.

Although, John perhaps has all the necessary details and really just wanted to  sort out GRO indexes  and we have gone on a detour 

[jonw65]

So now the Hill name appears 

An outside possibility
Free index to the 1911 census, Thornton Heath, Croydon
We have here a Louisa Hill, 18, and a Gertrude Hill, 13, both born Penge
Daughters of Reginald Hill, 44
and Minnie Hill, 33, born Hadleigh, Suffolk
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW82-1SQ

BUT
Minnie is not their mother!
1901, Reginald Hill, 34, is married to Minnie, 27, but seems to be a different Minnie! Born Esher.
Father in law William Berry with them
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9XZ-91W

Two possible marriages for Reginald
March 1891 Croydon
Reginald Thomas Hill + Minnie Berry

June 1904 Cosford
Reginald Thomas Hill + Minnie Frances Lamb

Poss death of Minnie 1?
March 1902 Bromley 2a 343
Hill, Minnie   
age 28   

Possible birth of Minnie 2?
Sep 1879 Cosford 4a 542
Lamb, Minnie Frances       
Mother's Maiden Surname: Budd

Not checked a lot, it could all fall to pieces!

[jonw65]

Possible birth registration of Louisa?
HILL, LOUISA  ROSE     
Mother's Maiden Surname: BERRY 
GRO Reference: 1892  J Quarter in CROYDON  Volume 02A  Page 265

Possible death, if she didn't marry, she was getting on a bit, if that's her with Elisabeth A Loring on the electorals!
July 1987 Kensington & Chelsea 13 1401
Louisa Rose Hill
d-o-b 11 May 1892

Using that info, the free index to 1939 Register has
Louisa Rose Hill, born 1892, living 1 Allen Edwards Road, Lambeth

The two children from 1911 of Reginald and Minnie 2
HILL, GLADYS  HARRIET     
Mother's Maiden Surname: LAMB 
GRO Reference: 1905  J Quarter in POPLAR  Volume 01C  Page 628

HILL, ROWLAND  REGINALD     
Mother's Maiden Surname: LAMB 
GRO Reference: 1906  S Quarter in CROYDON  Volume 02A  Page 319

Looks like the father of Minnie Francis Lamb born Suffolk was called Rowland, so likely named after him (as well as Reginald Hill).

Sadly, a probable early death for Minnie's son
HILL, ROWLAND  REGINALD     
Age at Death (in years): 20 
GRO Reference: 1926  D Quarter in ST. MARYLEBONE  Volume 01A  Page 629

His dad seems to have died a few years later
HILL, REGINALD  THOMAS     
Age at Death (in years): 63 
GRO Reference: 1929  D Quarter in CROYDON  Volume 02A  Page 394

[jonw65]

Death Dec qtr 1977   
LORING    ELIZABETH ANN    date of birth 12 MAY 1904     
ST MARYLEBONE reg dist    14   2033

London phone books, late 1970's
Loring Elisabeth A, Editor, 4 New Cavendish St W1...01-935 ****

[heywood]

My goodness Jon. I read all the Hill info and will have to reread. It looks quite promising though.

Perhaps the death certificate is the way though. Well done Jon.

[jonw65]

Thanks, heywood.
Let's hope it leads somewhere. Not with "Loring" thus far!
If Elisabeth Ann was a daughter of Minnie, and we don't know for sure, then perhaps she was adopted,  unless she was Gladys Harriet
Perhaps I'm getting carried away now!