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J Tall
« on: Wednesday 28 April 21 11:00 BST (UK) »
Looking for any information on J Tall who around 1880's lived at: 81 Blackman Street, Borough, London.
I think he may have invented things, one of which I have a photo, which I am trying to date etc.
Also looking for old maps, street indexes of the area.
Any help or ideas welcome.   

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Re: J Tall
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 28 April 21 11:16 BST (UK) »
No 81 was uninhabited at time of 1881 census. I wonder if it might have been a 'postal address', shared by various businesses.

Any more clues?  What do you think J Tall invented? What suggests he lived on Blackman Street?

There was an Architect, Joseph Tall and family, living in Belvoir Road at 1891. He, or more likely his then 29yr old son, Joseph Tall, concrete builder, was possibly the same chap of "Tall's Patent Apparatus" of timescale,  with some connection to its use in concrete instead of building with bricks.

A few other J Tall entries in London area at 1891, but none claiming to be an Inventor.
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Re: J Tall
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 28 April 21 11:27 BST (UK) »
Picture of Blackman Street mid 1880s : https://www.wikiart.org/en/john-atkinson-grimshaw/blackman-street-london-1885.

Blackman Street later changed name to Borough High Street.
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Re: J Tall
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 28 April 21 11:47 BST (UK) »
"As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know."  - Donald Rumsfeld

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Re: J Tall
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 28 April 21 11:58 BST (UK) »
Mention in 1870 newspaper of Joseph Tall's patent moulding machine being used in erection of a new vicarage at Mountnessing.
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Re: J Tall
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 28 April 21 12:03 BST (UK) »
London Gazette, May 14th 1869:

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.    To Joseph Tall, of Falstaff-yard, in the borough of Southwark, Engineer, and Alfred Williams (?), of Great George-street, Westminster,Civil Engineer for the invention of an im-proved method of, and apparatus for, bending,curving, straightening, and flattening metallicsheets, plates, or bands, and also round, flat,square, angular, and other bars of iron or other metals. 

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Re: J Tall
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 28 April 21 12:05 BST (UK) »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Burghclere

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.    Concrete Cottages (1870), in the former Long Piddle, Burghclere Bottom, Scouses Corner, on the north side of the Kingsclere and Sydmonton road. Rare and pioneering (because such use of concrete was only patented in 1864-1868). They were put up using Tall's patent shuttering, Tall's Concrete Moulding Machine or General Builder, aka Joseph Tall's Patent Concrete Machine, of Falstaff Yard, Kent street, Southwark     
"As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know."  - Donald Rumsfeld

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Re: J Tall
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 28 April 21 12:07 BST (UK) »
Interesting and informative 1923 article about Joseph Tall:

The Literary Digest for June 16, 1923, p. 44
INVENTOR OF REINFORCED CONCRETE NOW A PAUPER

https://crowd.loc.gov/campaigns/blackwells-extraordinary-family/alice-stone-blackwell-subject-file/mss1288000809/mss1288000809-24/

So the son in the 1881 census for Joseph Tall, architect, seems to be right chap:

Joseph M   Tall   Son   Married   Male   29   1852   Concrete Builder   London, Middlesex, England
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Re: J Tall
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 28 April 21 12:22 BST (UK) »
Likely marriage:

Marriages Dec quarter 1871   
Fundall    Ellen Sarah        St. Saviour    1d   34   
Tall    Joseph Mingay        St. Saviour    1d   34
"As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know."  - Donald Rumsfeld

"Trees without roots fall over!"
 
""People who never look backward to their ancestors will never look forward to posterity." - Edmund Burke

Don't just wait for the storm to pass, learn to dance in the rain.
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