Hit a brick wall.. Emily Hales

[Girl Guide]

Thanks for looking up that marriage BumbleB.  Looks like I found the right census record then.

There is a brother called Arthur E in that 1891 census and his birth registration gives the second name as Edgar.  Dad is also an ironmongers assistant in that census.

So if the 1921 marriage shows dad as George, it would suggest that Herbert committed bigamy.

[heywood]

See replies #7 and #8 

[Girl Guide]

You're quite right Heywood, we could be looking at two people with the name Herbert E Douglas.

One as Herbert Ernest (1886) and the other as Herbert Edward (1905).

Only the 1921 marriage certificate will clarify that and it is not on Ancestry as an image.

I can't find a 1904/05 Herbert in the 1939.

[heywood]

No I can’t either 

[mckha489]

But Herbert Edward is at same address as Emily on 1939 electoral roll.

[heywood]

I can see them in Electoral registers 1938 at 11 Beaumont Road and 1939 at 6 Miranda Road but not in 1939 registers 

[MrsS2012]

Thank you for all the responses everyone.
My great grandfather Herbert was born 8 Jan 1905 and died 4 May 1940 so the Herbert who married in 1912 wasn’t him.
I say Islington for Emily’s birth as this is what is what is recorded on her death certificate, which I have a copy of. (She died on 16 July 1981 in Dagenham) It actually lists her dob as 30 Jun 1901 but it’s 1904 on the 1939 reg and my Nan seemed to think it was 1904… she could have been fibbing I guess!
I have a photocopy of her second marriage cert to George Davies but not the first. Her father is definitely listed as a Frederick Hales. I did look for a Frederick Hales on the 1911 census but although I found a few I didn’t know which one matched? I’ve been looking to find a Frederick and an Emily together but if the story of her being abandoned is true they may not have lived together?

[Girl Guide]

Right, ok, so he was Herbert Edward then.  As has already been suggested it would be a good idea to obtain the 1921 marriage certificate to see what names appear on it for Emily's father and witnesses.

[MrsS2012]

I have a copy of her 1946 marriage certificate which states her father as a Frederick Hales. Witnesses are F G Baker and F K Gibbons (don’t know who they are at the moment).

Do you think it’s also worth getting hold of the 1921 cert to see if it says anything different?